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cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

06/06/2009 9:19 AM

Dear Reader,

I have some queries regarding one practical problem we are facing-

We had done busbaring in 160KW feeder, rated current 271A. We have used 300x10mm electrolytic busbar for busbaring inside feeder.

can you plz tell me-

1. is the size of busbar is adequate to take the rated current?

2.if yes, then why the busbar is heating. kindly note that we had seen busbar tepmarature is 100 degree C at the ambient temp of 42 degree C.

3.What may be the causes of busbar overheating in feeder?

Regards,

Soumen Kumar Das

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Re: cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

06/06/2009 10:03 AM

dear ,

its 30 * 10 mm ALUMINIUM or Copper ?

According to me, if it is pure electrolytic grade Aluminium - 6105 grade, it will work. If it is Coomercial grade Aluminium, it will not work.

Bus barring required many parameters to control....

1. Quality of bus bar - should be pure electrolytic grade.

2. Surrounding volume & air ventillation facility like louvers on doors & covers.

3. Nature of load : If it is motor load, no harm, thumb formula woks.

4. Sleeving done on bus bar also reduces the current rating.

If it is heating / non linear electronics load, you require to de rate by 25%. i.e. bigger size bus bar required.

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Re: cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

06/07/2009 2:03 AM

See the numerous previous threads on CR4 regarding this subject.

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Re: cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

06/07/2009 8:21 AM

Dear Mr. Das,

My friend is a Electrical Engineer, asking and suggesting the following.

1. Plese verify the size of Bus Bar is correct as you mentioned.

2. Specify the correct Material.

3. Application on which system.

Suggestion are:

Check proper ventilation.

Check Phase to phase clearence

Check any loose connection if any.

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Re: cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

09/27/2009 12:57 AM

prima facie -

30 x 10 is a poor aspect ratio. 60 x 5 gives 62.5% higher surface for heat dissipation. also better conduction at frequencies where the skin effect will be pronounced.

further, a higher aspect ratio leaves more conductor intact at connection points by removal of less mass by drilling for fastening.

50 x 6 is an option where mechanical strength consideration leaves 60 x 5 questionable.

any temperature rise on a conductor has to be looked at with the correct perspective. answering questions asked below will help you to reach a reasonable conclusion.

do you have a photograph of your enclosure with door open? and a correctly dimensioned drawing of the internal arrangement of components with conductor routing?

is 42 deg C the ambient 1 meter away from the control panel enclosure? or nearer? or inside the enclosure in closed condition?

is 100 deg C the peak temperature observed? or the steady state final temperature? and at what location is it measured? how close is the point of measurement to a bend? a joint/connection? a neighboring component (switchgear/device) at a higher temperature?

the heating any conductor is a result of the (I*I*r) heat and any additional heat received from any neighboring component by radiation or conduction.

the rise in temperature due to heating is governed by (a) the ability of the conductor to conduct heat away to neighboring components in contact and at lower temperatures, (b) the ability of the conductor to radiate heat from its surface through air to enclosure walls at lower temperatures and (c) the heat removed by the conductor by air at a lower temperature acting as a cooling medium either by convection or by a forced draft.

100 deg C as a final steady state temperature may not be alarming if the insulation system is coordinated to handle the temperature. however a cooler temperature does nopt necessarily exclude abnormal and unwarranted energy losses.

have you checked that the 271 amps you are drawing is a true RMS measurement? and the current is free from harmonics? if harmonics are present then the heat generated will be high though the current may not appear high on an ordinary moving iron meter.

current harmonics (if present in high proportion) add to the heat due to the pronounced current density on account of the skin effect and the proximity effect.

are you paralleling conducting paths at aly point? with unequal (resistance) conductors?

have you checked for physical flaws in your conductor? like cracks at bending points? and corrosion or contact resistance at connections?

have you checked in your internal layout that the conductor is not receiving convection/draft heat generated elsewhere and reducing the efficacy of cooling? eg - if your conductor is passing horizontally above the fins of a heat sink then expect poor heat extraction from the surface of that conductor.

ooooo have you checked if your line voltages are balanced (equal)?

try generalized fundas for future panel design . . . .

do try painting the inner walls of your enclosure with a dull (matt) black shade to absorb and conduct away more of the radiated heat falling in inner surfaces. if your esthetics permit then paint outer surfaces black too. this will help whenever the ambient temperature outside is lower than the in panel temperature (usually always when powered). if possible remove any restricting baffles above the conductor or make them of perforated aluminum sheet. increase the clearances between conductors to allow better air flow. increase the aspect ratio of the conductor.

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Re: cause for busbar overheating in LT panels

11/02/2023 8:35 AM

Here's what is alarming about this post: <...had done busbaring...is the size of busbar is adequate...>.

Surely the <...We...> did the calculations before the <...busbar...> was selected and fitted?

What a way to do business!

No wonder the posting is by <...Anonymous Poster...>!

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