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Metal Troubles - How to Prevent Galling

06/10/2009 6:56 PM

Hi,

I have an application that involves two materials sliding against each other.

One of the part is 4340 HTSR alloy steel and the other is 350W steel plate.

To prevent galling, I coated the 4340HTSR (with carbon nitriding) and also use some lubricant in between. Is this sufficient?

Any help with information on galling prevention would be appreciated!!

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Re: Galling

06/10/2009 7:19 PM

"I coated the 4340HTSR (with carbon nitriding) and also use some lubricant in between."

So, you have coated it, and lubricated already, but have not tested the new setup yet? Sounds to me like you have already made the decision, the best way to see if it is substantial enough to work is a good old fashion test. There are more exact sciences involved if you were still in the planning stage, but from your wording it sounds like you ought to just give it a go.

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06/10/2009 7:22 PM

I can still change my design.

What are the sciences for galling prevention?

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06/10/2009 7:42 PM

You'll need to know things such as the coefficient of friction of the two materials, the force which the materials oppose each other with, the speed the materials are moving against each other, I'm sure there are a couple other variables to be concerned with, but I'm about 15 minutes from being on vacation, and have already checked out.

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06/11/2009 2:59 AM

To prevent the galling/scoring you must remove the metal to metal contact.

- Get the surface ground to avoid the ridges and also ensure the flatness of the surfaces.

- depending on the pressure between the two sliding surfaces and the surface velocity you have to chose the lubricant - oil - grease- solid lubricants

- Ensure the lubricant is replenished periodically (Eg in the machine guides you have the oil holes through which the lubricant is continuously pumped in. In our certain components we have (of course not steel) -brass with bonded graphite rods, as the brass weras out or otherwise too, the graphite continuously lubricates the sliding surfaces.

- bearings use the grease/ oil for the same purpose.

Did you consider some sort of a softer shoe in one of them, The soft shoe prevents the components from wear out and then as it weras, you replace the shoes instead of replacing the whole components, and in acse one component is perfectly (of course nothing is perfect but still ) made, the softer show soon takes its shape by surface wear and corrections - this procedure is also very common, and in fact we have these brasses with impregnated graphite in quite a few of our mechanical seals.

Anyway these are just some ideas - unless we know the total applications (surface pressure, speed, etc) may be just a bit difficult to guess.

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06/11/2009 3:58 AM

Working temperature? Ambiance? Sliding speed? Contact pressure? Surface quality (roughness, hardness)? Number of cycles? Length of travel? Plane or other surface geometry?

There is a science named TRIBOLOGY which deals with contact problems and wear galling is one aspect of contact.

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Re: Metal Troubles - How to Prevent Galling

06/12/2009 9:24 AM

All good posts above. My 2 cents are:

- Heat treatment of parts (hardness and depth)

- Type of sliding (bearing pressure and duration)

- Dry vs. lubricated sliding surface

- Expected life of part (you cannot eliminate wear, only reduce it)

My experience is limited to engineered chain component wear. Galling and micro welding are usually the result of high bearing pressures and relatively soft materials. In general, heat treating of both parts will reduce wear with respect to time. How much and type will depend on how much you are willing to spend. You can through-harden, carburize, and induction heat treat depending size of material and depth of hardening you want to achieve. One drawback is hardening will also make a material brittle.

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06/12/2009 12:02 PM

Google "Tribology" as there is a wealth of information out there on this subject. Tribology is the science and technology of interacting surfaces in relative motion in the presence of a third component (typically, the lubricant).

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Re: Metal Troubles - How to Prevent Galling

06/16/2009 9:04 AM

Another option to perhaps explore, cryogenic treating may help the galling problem, the "grain structure" of the steel is realigned, retained austinite converted to martinsite, causing the steel to be more resistant to wear. HOWEVER, any potential benefit would only accrue to the 4340 and more than likely not the 350W account of the carbon content of the material. .4% or greater Carbon is required for any strengthening benefit, the 4340 is right at that level, the 350W simply does not have a high enough carbon content. Anyway, just my input. dkimmel@300below.com

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