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Design Acceleration

08/02/2009 12:43 AM

Dear All Members,

I have specification from my client to calculate force on barge according to value given as below. In this regard, could anyone advise me how to calculate it and if you all have some example of calculation, could forward to us for study purpose.

You all cooperation are appreciated.

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Re: Design Acceleration

08/02/2009 4:06 PM

It seems to me that this is a matter of calculating the forces and moments resulting from the accelerations stated and then just add everything. Just note that you have acceleration. You need mass distribution information to continue, then values will start showing up. Is this a matter of evenly distributed mass? Or is it tied to some specific point? What are the structural members in the sketch, where they are going to be positioned? What's the material? It will be designed, built, reverse engineered?

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Re: Design Acceleration

08/02/2009 8:58 PM

Dear Friend,

Actually this motion need to applied on the vessel during shipping to offshore. Let say total length of vessel (including skirt) is 20m vertical laying horizontally on ship, material for vessel is SA 516 Gr.70, empty weight around 20 tons. You have any example regarding this matter. Could you send to me for study purpose.

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08/03/2009 12:57 AM

It frightens me that you need to ask this question given that the consequences of getting it wrong could be major.

The formulae are not too hard. I can hardly read your figures but they seem to be showing the three components of linear and angular acceleration.

Basically you will be using the linear and angular versions of F = MA or

Force = Mass by Acceleration

with F in Newton, Mass in Kg and A in m/sec2 if you are using the metric system.

You need to do this for each of the X,Y and Z directions and then add the vectors. If you need advice on this then definitely don't continue.

The exercise is then repeated for the angular effects. This is rotation about the centre of mass of the barge. The equivalent angular formulae for F = MA is

T = I alpha

there T is applied torque = Force (kg) x distance(m) to C of Mass

but things get a little messy in rotation land as "rotational inertia" has to be calculated. Think "Low Inertia" is spinning a cricket ball and "High Inertia" is putting half the cricket ball at each end of a weightless 1m pole and trying to spin that up to a certain Revs/Sec at the same rate.

I is the moment of inertia of the barge mass about the rotation axis being considered

You will need to make some assumptions about the barge mass - probably that it is uniformally loaded. Don't know the formulae off my head but the I value will be something less than M x (L/2)^2 for rotation about the axis across the barge as this is the answer for the barge being treated as two point masses, one at each end of the barge. If all the barge mass was at the C of G then I would be zero.

alpha is for angular acceleration, the units of which are:

Rad/Sec = 2 x pi x 60 x Rev/Min

I presume you know about keeping units correct - don't mix them and particularly keep Mass as kg and Force as Newton (in metric system) when you use the formulae.

Once again, when you have worked out the forces related to angular restraint, you can add them up using vector methods. Word of caution however. If the question is about barge towing then some of these forces can probably be ignored because the tow rope will not offer restraint in all directions. And if you want to be more exact, the rope will stretch and if it is stretchy enough, it will absorb the motion without generating too high a force, till wave and other forces reverse the barge motion and the reverse situation/loadings occur.

Hope that helps.

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08/03/2009 1:07 AM

"It frightens me that you need to ask this question given that the consequences of getting it wrong could be major."

I agree.. I suggest you (OP) contract a specialist in this field who can take documented legal responsibility for the accuracy of the calculation in the case of an insurance claim or certification investigation. It is smart to be able to do and perform the calculations, but it is wise to cover your a$$ with a professional in the industry.

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08/03/2009 3:00 AM

Just to add clarification re my last post.

It looks like you are carrying the barge so the stuff about tow ropes is irrelevant - though it were relevant, then huge drag forces would need to be added.

It is not entirely clear to me about what sits where, but if the "load" is above/below the roll centre of the "transporter"(in shipping I think equals centre of buoyancy) there will be an offset that will translate the rotational moment into translation of the "load". Not clear if that is already in the linear acceleration figures seemingly mentioned or not.

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08/03/2009 10:39 AM

TrevorM,

Giving you a GA vote because what you've written seems highly logical and aimed towards solving the problem. However, I can't help but think there is something else missing that FAIZOL82 has missed. In solving a land-based structural system problem with seismic activity included, loading elements are given in terms of "ground acceleration". Forces are solved using Building Code formula and applied to the foundations and joints to adequately prepare the structure for any seismic events.

However, the barge could be considered to be on a frictionless surface and any loads applied must be taken to some "foundation", in this case I would assume the tow boat. Therefore, it seems logical that simple determination of the loads about the centroid is insufficient, "acceleration" values shown would be somehow equivalent to land seismic accelerations except contributed by linear actions of the waves instead of ground motions, and this whole problem will determine the nature of the tow configuration and tow boat requirements. Without and anchoring point any loads on the barge will make it move indefinitely in the direction of the loads.

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Re: Design Acceleration

08/03/2009 8:37 PM

Dear All,

Thank for reply and advice, now i'm looking for example of calculate to study purpose. anybody have it. Please send to me at faizol@mset.com.my.

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08/04/2009 10:47 AM

FAIZOL82,

I would think that if you have been following this thread then you'd realize that none of us has done this before, and, therefore, none of us has any sample problem or example solution that we can provide to you. Our posts clearly point out possible directions you can take to solve the problem, but we will not solve it for you. If you are in "over your head" on this, then you should seek other outside assistance as we do not have any similar solved problems for you to copy off of. Sorry.

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