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Pipe Standards

08/06/2009 11:11 AM

How can i tell that a flange is 150psi or 300psi by just looking in to it...

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Re: pipe standards

08/06/2009 11:46 AM

Yes! depending on the location, access and condition of the flange you can tell the size, rating and material of a flange just by reading the markings stamped on the outside diameter of a flange.

You might need a flashlight and/or a mirror. You might also need a wire brush.

If you are in a refinery or other facility subject to flammable hydrocarbons you need to make sure the flashlight is intrincicly safe, the wire of the brush is "non-sparking" and both are checked and approved by the plant safety group.

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08/08/2009 2:23 PM

Is it right to differentiate a class 150 or class 300 flange by its face thickness or the no of PCD holes?

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08/08/2009 4:12 PM

Not always.

You must first eliminate any other reason for a specific flange thickness.

Take ALL of the dimensions for both flange classes and do a process of elimination.

Even then you are only guessing. The best way still remains to look for and varify the flange markings.

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08/06/2009 1:06 PM

Another point.

Flanges are not designated as "150psi or 300psi as you indicated. The proper designation is Class 150 or Class 300, etc. To determine how much pressure a specific flange class is rated for you must consider the maximum operating temperature.

Please see the following chart:

Pressure - Temperature Ratings

For Steel Pipe Flanges and Flanged FittingsAmerican National Standard ANSI B16.5 - 1988

CLASS150 lb.300 lb.400 lb.600 lb.900 lb.1500 lb.2500 lb.
HYDROSTATIC TEST PRESSURE, PSIG450112515002225335055759275
TEMPERATURE, FMAXIMUM ALLOWABLE NON-SHOCK PRESSURE PSIG
-20 to 1002857409901480222037056170
2002606759001350202533755625
3002306558751315197032805470
4002006358451270190031705280
5001706008001200179529954990
6001405507301095164027354560
6501255357151075161026854475
7001105357101065160026654440
750955056701010151025204200
80080410550825123520603430
8506527035553580513402230
900501702303455158601430
95035105140205310515860
1000205070105155260430

Ratings apply to materials.

SA-1051.2 SA-515-702 SA-516-702 SA-181-701.2 SA-350-LF2 SA-537-C1.13 SA-216-WCB2

NOTES: 1. For service temperatures above 850 F it is recommended that killed steels containing not less than 0.10% residual silicon be used. 2. Upon prolonged exposure to temperatures above 800 F, the carbide phase of carbon steel may be converted to graphite. 3. The material shall not be used in thickness above 2-1/2 in.

Flanges of ANSI B16.5 shall not be used for higher ratings except where it is justified by the design methods of the Code.

Ratings are maximum allowable non-shock working pressures expressed as gage pressure, at the tabulated temperatures and may be interpolated between temperatures shown.

Temperatures are those on the inside of the pressure-containing shell of the flange. In general, it is the same as that of the contained material.

THIS INFORMATION IF PROVIDED FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY. BEFORE USING ANY OF THIS DATA FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN FOR GENERAL INFORMATION , IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND CERTIFIED BY A QUALIFIED ENGINEER.

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08/07/2009 3:11 AM

Not sure about your question, may be the flange marking is not visible (Dirty, Painted, oxidation......). If this is the problem. you only have to see how many holes have the flange ( Not in the center of the flange, there is only one, holes for nuts and bolts)

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