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Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/18/2009 1:21 AM

Hai,i am viki.I like to do my project in gasoline direct injection in petrol engines(GDI). Can i implement this idea by doing modification in existing petrol engines.please guide me towards this idea.

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08/18/2009 3:12 AM

Final compression pressures are different so that you have to take it into consideration.

If you want to modify a diesel engine then you should decrease the compression final pressure.

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/18/2009 10:59 PM

You can put you are in for a lot of work! You will have to find a place where you can drill into the combustion chamber without hitting any water jackets or other critical things. Then you will have to find and injector that will not melt or fail when subjected to the extremely high temperatures and pressures of the live fire in the cylinder. And that's just for starters. The amount of shock the system will have to with stand and still be reliable is staggering too! Not a simple task especially when trying to use off the shelf parts! Fuel pressures will have to be in the 1000 to 1500 PSI range and the shock will be enormous. Then the temperatures will be 1500 to 2200 degrees! Tough place to make an injector work properly!

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/19/2009 6:26 AM

Why did you rate yourself as off topic? You were right on topic to my mind.....

Furthermore, the OP must learn how to program the injection system (computer control) so as to make many short injections to develop the power (relatively) gradually.

Also, due to the fact that Petrol/Gasoline is not a good lubricant, you have to design your injection pump quite differently to a diesel injection pump......this problem alone is probably the single biggest to overcome of all the various problems of GDI......

Mitsubishi and Volvo (to name but two) worked on the problems for MANY years before bringing an engine to market, even then further problems needed fixing......

Even with all their money it was not easy......

If you want a project that a home builder can achieve then think about making a diesel engine run on cheap Auto-gas or whatever its called in your area.....the diesel is still needed to set fire to the gas, but much reduced in amounts. In some countries diesel buses run on 90% gas in that manner...obviously there has to be a big price difference to make it economical...

Just a thought.......

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/19/2009 12:49 AM

There has been a lot of engineering in GDI technology and that will continue for many years to come. Start your quest for knowledge here. http://www.tscombustion.com/tscitechnology.html

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/19/2009 2:26 AM

Hi,

A very advanced version of GDI has been in use for several years at BRP - see www.BRP.com - who manufacture high performance engines under the Evinrude and Rotax brands. We use Evinrude outboards and they have VERY low fuel consumptions and very good power to weight ratios compared to four stroke EFi engines. BRP have a very good video / DVD showing how their very fast high pressure electric injectors work.

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/19/2009 8:38 AM

If you want to build a demonstration model only, and dont care about appearance, try this:

Break all of the porcelain from the same type spark plugs you are going to use.

Break off the ground electrode and braze a nipple to the remaining base (top).Add the injector at the end of the nipple, and new spark plug at the side, via a tee fitting, or by drilling and tapping the nipple.Keep the nipple as short as possible.Once the engine is up to temperature ,it will be more efficient because the fuel will vaporize better, and the plug will send a large flame down the nipple to ignite the mixture.

This is not a perfect configuration, but it will illustrate the basic principle.You still must have a method of determining TDC of the engine and calculating when to fire the injector and plug, and sufficient fuel pressure.

Hope this helps

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/19/2009 9:42 AM

As stated this technology is already used in production 2 stroke motors. It is found in Ski-doo snowmobiles and BPR, Johnson, and Evenrude out board motors.

Bombardier or BPR is a part of/ owns all these companies. They have advanced this technology tremendously. Now main stream.

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/30/2009 7:39 PM

Even my moms 2004 Isuzu Rodeo has direct injection

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Re: Gasoline Direct Injection (GDI)

08/30/2009 8:45 PM

You can use an already existing engine, but the modifications are not easily accomplished. First you must install an injector directly into the combustion camber and that means drilling the head in a location where you miss the valves, the water jackets (if liquid cooled) and the spark plug! You may have a hard time finding that sweet spot! Then comes the trouble of finding/using an injector that will not be destroyed by the heat, pressure and concussion of being inside the combustion chamber. You will also have to develop a fuel delivery system that is extremely high pressure so that it can force the fuel into a running engine at top dead center on the compression stroke. The amount of pressure required will be a minimum of several hundred psi above the cylinder pressure that the engine develops. It is do-able, but not with things that are sitting in your kitchen junk drawer, or at the local hardware store.

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