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Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

09/06/2009 3:26 AM

Hi All Electrical Engineer,

I have problem in our Sag Mill Motor which tripping on Earth Fault and block tripped on the Multilin protection relay.

This Sag Mill is driven by the 4MW / 6.6kV wound rotor, with soft stater called LRS - Liquid Resistance Stater. We don't have problem of starting since it was commision six month ago, just last week it was start tripping on above faults. Grounfd Fault tripped

Check has done.

1. Disconnect all 6 single core HV cable and megger or insulation test at 10kV megger test and the results are fairly good which are all 43 to 44 Mega Ohms.

2. Disconnect all motor lead and megger all phases are 15 Mega Ohms.

I cannot pinpoint which one is causing the earth fault tripped. It might be Multilin protection relay is faulty? or what ever thought.

Please send me your comments.

Kindly regards,

Alex

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Re: Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

09/06/2009 8:16 AM

Dear,

1. Bypass and/or remove all electrical and mechanical safeties.

2. Swap out the protective fuses with peices of conduit.

3. The part that catches fire first was causing the earth fault.

4. replace same.

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Re: Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

09/06/2009 1:20 PM

First, with this being only six months old you might be under warranty. Contact whoever installed this for you and claim that you never touched it.

If for whatever reason, contacting the installer is not an option, then I see two possible scenarios. First, your ground fault sensing circuitry itself could be faulty. Depending on the design one should replace or repair the ground fault detector. The numbers you've cited imply that no ground fault exists. Second, you have an unexpected switch in this motor or starter. In the motor, the switch can be either from an overheating of the windings causing an insulation breakdown or mechanical abrasion of the windings. Either of these motor switch scenarios should be handled by the motor fabricator or installer. Possibly your Liquid Resistance Starter for this slip ring motor itself has an intermittent ground fault.

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Re: Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

09/06/2009 3:39 PM

In addition to others, keep these in your investigation:

- Is the motor rated for inverter-duty?

- Is the VFD cable used?

- Is the common mode current causing this problem?

For better response from this forum, you also can provide some more information like

- Does the motor trip right after start or after running a while

- The grounding of your system: solidly, LRG or HRG

- CT location (one line diagram of the motor)

- Multilin relay model (is it 469?)

Good luck.

- MS

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Re: Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

09/08/2009 3:19 AM

Hi MSamad,

Thanks for your replay.

Is the VFD cable used? No, we are not using VFD.

Is the common mode current causing this problem? Not sure about this.

Does the motor trip right after start or after running a while? No, tripped on start-up in less 3 seconds.

The grounding of your system: solidly, LRG or HRG? Yes, it solidly earthed/grounding system we had.

CT location (one line diagram of the motor)? CT's are installed and located at the load side of the Circuit Breaker.

Multilin relay model (is it 469?) We are using 369 Multilin Motor Management Relay and Vamp Relay.

I am getting a current injection test instrument to test our Multilin and the Vamp relay at this point of time, as soon as have the result then I will posted on.

Regards,

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Re: Sag Mill Tripping on Earth Fault

08/22/2024 5:47 AM

Look for something that has changed since the commissioning records' dates. Reviewing those documents will shed some light on the problem.

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