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Reverse-Acting D/P Transmitters and Steam Drums

09/09/2009 12:24 PM

I just read this article which states,

When a d/p cell is used to measure the level in a steam drum, a reverse-acting transmitter is usually installed (Figure 6-3). An uninsulated condensing chamber is used to connect the high pressure (HP) side of the d/p cell to the vapor space on the top of the drum. The steam condenses in this chamber and fills the wet leg with ambient temperature water, while the low pressure (LP) side of the d/p cell detects the hydrostatic head of the boiling water inside the drum. The output of the d/p cell reflects the amount of water in the drum. Output rises as the mass of water in the drum drops (because the steaming rate and the associated swelling increase). It is for this reason that a reverse acting d/p cell is recommended for this application.

Unfortunately i couldn't understand still as to why do we need reverse acting d/p cell. Can anyone PLEASE explain this in simpler terms and example, i would be really thankful !

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Re: Reverse-Acting D/P Transmitters and Steam Drums

09/10/2009 7:00 AM

Your last thread had a few good answers, but I'll try to make it a little simpler:

A NORMAL d/p transmitter has an increasing output with an increasing pressure on H (L being constant). This is an undeniable fact.

In order to get the transmitter to increase output on increasing level (drum head), the H side MUST be connected to the bottom of the drum. Period.

The L side is connected to the top of the drum to establish your point of reference, and allowed to fill with condensate in a wet-leg system.

Imagine an empty drum. If the L leg is allowed to fill with water, that will drive the transmitter downscale, right? So re-zero the transmitter to raise the output up to zero indication (in your imagination).

Now imagine the drum filling. This puts pressure on the H side, driving the transmitter upscale. The transmitter output is now FOLLOWING drum level, and now your operator is happy.

Then someone came along later and tried to complicate things, and invented a reverse acting D/P transmitter, so that the H side of the transmitter could be piped to the High side of the drum, and vice versa.

This is what's called a marketing gimmick, and I'm sure the transmitter manufacturer charged handsomely when this feature was installed.

Reverse meaning that the output follows the LOW side now.

History: I suspect that this happened when an un-trained engineer designed a level system, got snakebit, and came up with a way to implement a dp transmitter in a level system HIS way. My 2 cents.

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Re: Reverse-Acting D/P Transmitters and Steam Drums

09/10/2009 9:53 AM

Thnx mkruger21 .... u really nailed it ... i couldn't have asked for a better explanation .... once again lots of thnx ....

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Re: Reverse-Acting D/P Transmitters and Steam Drums

09/10/2009 3:57 PM

Keep in mind too that if you have a DCS system it's really easy to set up the system to characterize the input from a regular transmitter that is set up with the high side to the low side lead and low side to the high side to read in reverse without doing a think to the transmitter.

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Re: Reverse-Acting D/P Transmitters and Steam Drums

09/12/2009 7:01 AM

DonC, you did make me think of something that will cause me to retract my sarcasm-

If you have performed an FMEA on your system, and have analyzed certain piping/instrument failures, then having the flexibility of a reverse acting transmitter may help you better address your FMEA.

I have never actually seen this implemented, but is certainly possible. I know moving from analog to DCS has certainly improved flexibility in failure action/direction from a casualty standpoint.

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