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3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/11/2009 10:27 AM

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We need no use some 2 phase breakers in the range of 400 A to 250 A capacity, but available breakers are all 3 phase. I want to know whether there any problem of use of 2 phases of 3 phase breaker for 2 phase application. Because I have seen some places where they use jumper between 2 poles of 3 phase breakers, thus allowing current flow in all 3 poles of the breakers, but I'm not sure whether that is a requirement. Kindly give me explanation on that.

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/11/2009 5:24 PM

No problem using a 3 pole breaker on a 2 pole ckt. Jumpers are not needed.

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/11/2009 7:27 PM

Agree with wareagle if it's just a switch. If it has other functions (ELCB etc), it may be that only one particular set of contacts must be used. Check the manufacturer's datasheet.

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/11/2009 8:06 PM

Where you see the feed-through jumper requirement is when you have the device known as a Motor Protective Switch, which is providing the dial-adjustable thermal overload protection of a motor. Devices designed for that use have a thermal trip sensing element that features something called a "differential trip bar". This is a counter spring trip bar that will bias (skew) the trip point of the thermal setting if there is an imbalance in the 3 phases, causing it to trip faster than it normally would. This is because if you have an imbalance of current in a 3 phase motor, it causes the motor to heat up disproportionately to the amount of current flowing. So without the biased early tripping, the motor may suffer damage even though the overall current is still under the thermal trip point.

That issue of course means nothing to a 1 phase load, but a 3 pole device used on a 1 phase load may end up falsely tripping because of that feature. Therefore if you use one of those type devices on a single phase load, you must loop a conductor out of one phase and back through the 3rd, so that equal current is flowing on all 3 sensing elements. It doesn't matter that it is the same current as is being seen by the previous element, it only matters that there is no differential.

So now the issue for you is to determine what you are referring to as a "circuit breaker". It's common in places outside of North America for Motor Protective Switches to be referred to and used as "Circuit Breakers", whereas here in the US we cannot do that if it is not used directly on a motor. So if what you have is a Molded Case Circuit Breaker (MCCB) or Mini-Circuit Breaker (MCB), then you should not have to loop back with a jumper, it will not have the differential trip bar feature.

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/11/2009 11:39 PM

Dear All,

Thank you very much all your valuable advise. We are going to use those MCCBs as main cut off breakers for Distribution Boards (there is no , therefore as per your explanation it is not necessary have jumper between poles to make 3 phase breakers to two phase breakers. So, we will use those 2 poles of each 3 phase breaker for our 2 phase application and leave other pole free. If I'm wrong kindly correct me.

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/12/2009 4:13 AM

Dear Guest,

1) Either you can leave one pole free and use two poles.use the unconnected pole as breaker auxiliary switch for indication of ON-Trip condition

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2)You can connect 2nd and 3rd poles in series connected to one phase and the first pole connected to another phase which will ensure same phase current flows and detected from protection point of view.

Both the methods are followed in Industries

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Re: 3-Phase MCCBs for 2-Phase Applications

09/13/2009 6:10 PM

Dear sir:

All of the answers below are entirely correct. Circuit breakers couldn't care less of how many of the poles you use and forget about the jumpers as they have NOTHING to do with your question! Best of luck and fire your electrician!

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