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Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

10/01/2009 1:30 PM

What can be used to inhibit (slow down) the polyurea or polyurethane reaction? I know that by going to a secondary amine the reaction is slower than with a primary amine but how can the reaction be made even slower? There are many catalysts that can speed up the reaction rate but are there any chemicals that will inhibit the reaction rate? If so what are they?

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

10/01/2009 2:07 PM

Did you try Google?

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

10/02/2009 8:08 AM

Can you specify what you are trying to react the polyurea or polyurethane with? Adding amines to a polyurethane can produce polyureas. One method is to block the reactive linkage, such as - N=C=O, then mix with your reactant (amine?), and slowly heat the mixture. There will usually be some free isocyanate groups, and they will react, until you reach the unblocking temperature and free the isocyanate linkages. This is the basis for coating magnet wire with phenol-blocked polyurethane - polyester mixtures at very high speeds in a furnace, such as GE has used.

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

10/02/2009 10:32 AM

It might be possible to "just cool it." Chemical reaction rates double for every 10 degree C rise in temperature, and the reverse. Possibly you could keep your existing system and refridgerate the reactants before you start. Of course the reaction generates heat as it runs, but maybe you can achieve your goal with this simple strategy.

Good luck.

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

10/02/2009 2:17 PM

One can titrate aa amine Rx between a polyurethane or isocyanate, it's that fast. Sec amines are slower, but not significantly so. Many of the polymeric Rxs would be too viscous to run much below room temp.

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

03/22/2010 3:01 PM

Sorry, I just found your reply! If you are familiar with MOCA, [4,4'-methylene bis(orthochloroanilaine)], it differs from MDA by the deactivating -Cl substituents ortho to the amino group. In this way, both by steric and inductive forces, one can design slower reacting diamines. Some people have tried blocking the amine protons and reactivating them for the curing reaction. There are some other diamines that are reported to react much slower than the MDA, but often these are very dark in color.

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Re: Polyurea / Polyurethane Inhibitor

03/22/2010 10:41 PM

Thanks

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