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De-rating Factors for Breakers

10/19/2009 5:31 AM

Can you please clarify regarding the de rating factors of breakers. I mean a breaker of (say MCB-3P-32A-10KA-415VAC) when used on DC side of 220VDC of same current rating, the KA rating is derated (it will be less than 10KA). Why it is derated, how much it derates, do we have any calculations to find out the KA ratings of AC breakers when used on DC side?

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Re: De Rating Factors of Breakers

10/19/2009 1:07 PM

If a breaker does not very specifically state that it is rated for use on DC, you CANNOT USE IT!.

If it is rated for DC, the device will state very clearly what the DC capabilities are.

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10/20/2009 3:41 AM

In one of my product catalouge(MCCB) it is mentioned that, MCCB-3P-100A-85KAfor 415VAC appilcation. But when it is used on 220VDC side, the current rating remaining the same where as the KA rating is reduced to 65KA. Do we have any calculations to find out how much KA is reduced, why it is reduced when AC breaker is used on DC side.

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Re: De Rating Factors of Breakers

10/19/2009 3:18 PM

You really need to consult manufacturer's data for answers to this, as it will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.

To give an indication of what to expect, take for an example GE's G100-series of 10KA MCBs (I'm not trying to plug GE here, its just what is closest to hand) : the MCBs can be used in a DC system, the current rating is amp for amp the same as for AC, but the maximum voltage per pole is 48VDC. This means that you need to use more than one pole in series to break voltages higher than 48VDC. The short circuit capacity is reduced from the AC figure, consult the manufacturer's data for this too.

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10/19/2009 11:10 PM

As mentioned by Paulusgnome, DC breaking is very voltage sensitive, and at 220V DC, you may not get even a few amps capacity, let alone kA. Devices specifically designed for DC use blowouts, either coils or permanent magnets. As for extrapolation, i haven't come across any calculation.You need to actually test.

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10/20/2009 1:10 AM

It's perhaps worth noting that MCB some manufacturers are now making MCBs for use with photovoltaic systems that do have higher DC limits, 6KA @ 220vdc per pole are available in a range of In ratings.

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10/20/2009 1:23 AM

Thanks for the heads up .. yes, 6kA with permanent magnets

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10/20/2009 7:06 AM

The continuous current rating need not be de-rated. Only the breaking capacity is to be de-rated. Why? You know, in AC it is the R.M.S. Current and in DC it is always the peak current. So, the braking capacity in DC will be 1/1.414 times as that of the AC Breaking Capacity.Because, Peak = 1.414 x RMS.

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10/20/2009 7:45 AM

A stark example of derating for DC duty(as the voltage goes higher) is here ... even for a non-inductive application.

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