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Atomic Vibrations

10/21/2009 8:31 AM

Is it possible that in matter, which contains one mole of atoms, that the atoms in matter can vibrate at different frequency at a time?????????

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Re: vibration of atom

10/21/2009 9:45 AM

If I remember my high school chemistry, the answer is yes, if the atoms are at different temperatures.

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10/21/2009 10:40 AM

Well, yes. Consider the previous good answer, and Google space shuttle tile. You should see one part (the red hot one) vibrating like crazy, while the other part (dark) isn't.

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/21/2009 11:05 PM

If the matter is in liquid or gaseous form, I have the impression that the molecular temperatures (dependent on velocities) follow a Gaussian distribution. I see no reason why the vibrations in a solid should be any different.

So I believe the answer is yes.

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/21/2009 11:25 PM

Heck yes! In fact, the electrons of the atoms are all over the map regarding energy levels... Same with the nuclei.

In fact, it would be very difficult to achieve a mole of a substance where all of the atoms were at the same state... Got a really large femto-second pulsed laser array?

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 11:04 AM

GA. For all the atoms or molecules in a sample to behave identically (as in all vibrating at the same frequency), would seem to me to require a very complicated external control mechanism to keep them all at exactly the same temperature, and to keep all the electrons in fixed energy states. You might also find that you had to control the orientation of the molecules. My guess that something like that could be approached if the sample was held at a temperature close to zero degrees Kelvin, which would surely require a complicated external control. Limited randomness (within a Gaussian distribution) seems to be a basic natural property. So the answer would be that it is almost impossible for all the atoms in matter to vibrate at the same frequency. If you did succeed in this you might find the sample has unusual magnetic properties.

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 3:58 PM

Hi,

"same temperature" ?

Temperature is only equivalent to velocity and related collision frequency that usually cannot be observed as too high in frequency.

orientation: yes, this is the basis of NMR anylysis, first orienting along a common direction, then bring most spins to be parallel, then observe the relaxation process and gyroscopic motion (frequency) in a powerful magtnetic field.

So, which vibrations are asked here?

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10/22/2009 3:08 AM

Hi,

do you really talk about atomic (electrons bound to atoms) vibrations - answered above- or molecular vibrations (atoms bound by forces/stiffnesses into molecules)?

Two-atomic molecules can only vibrate in the stretching mode, but three-atomic have stretching and torsional modes.

This is true for a gas of the stuff.

Solid, liquid, plasma have many more vibration modes.

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10/22/2009 3:15 AM

They may only be bouncing in the stretching mode, but you can find a lot of different "stretching" energy levels through the mole of the element (or compound).

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 3:53 PM

"stretching energy levels" ?

Hi,

is this quantised as in Balmer/Rydberg spectral lines of excited electrons hopping back to nonexcited orbit? Which frequencies, wavelengths?

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 8:47 AM

Sure. That's the basis for IR analysis of organic materials. The frequency of vibration depends on the energy provided, bond type (covalent single, double, triple), and mass of the group vibrating (S-H bond, C=C-H group, etc. look in Infrared Correlation Chart No.1 and no. 2 in any CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics.

Of course, that's for organic MOLECULES, which are composed of atoms.

If you are talking plasma, or even a mole of , say, argon gas at any normal pressure and temperature, the atomic vibration is related to degrees Kelvin. I believe that's actually the definition of temperature, if you were to check it out.

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 4:00 PM

Most definitely the atoms each have their own energy level. The temperature of 1 Mole of any substance is the weighted average of the individual atomic activities. In the case of a gas, you can build a hilsch vortex tube and separate the hot molecules from the cooler ones. (lets you heat the coffee and chill the soda with the same device.)

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Re: Atomic Vibrations

10/22/2009 6:25 PM

Hi rupes,

It is a fact. There is movement all the time, and as I understand it the valances have to stay very close to optimal. So when I substance is moved by light or anything else these valances have to keep rectifying, that may be one way a vibration is continuously varying. In a stiff solid the atoms cannot move but can still vibrate. Which kind of begs the question, "is anything really 'solid"?

Relevant to 'now' and the greenhouse effect is that CO2 actually vibrates driven by IR and it has two frequencies, one for bending, and one for stretching.

This is my 'second wave' of physics and I find it amazing to think most atoms can absorb IR and so worsen the greenhouse effect.

http://chem.pdx.edu/~wamserc/CH399S97/Notes3.htm

Bonds can vibrate, with a frequency that matches that of infrared radiation, and

absorption of IR causes a bond to increase its vibrational energy.

CO2 has four distinct vibrations: 2 stretching modes and 2 bending modes

an IR spectrum shows which wavelengths are absorbed

for CO2, absorptions at 15 µm (bending) and 4.2 µm (stretching)

most molecules have bonds that can vibrate on absorbing IR radiation, and thus

can contribute to the greenhouse effect (e.g., CH4, H2O, NO).

Some molecules do not absorb IR radiation (symmetric diatomics like O2 and N2)

Individual atoms don't absorb IR radiation (no bonds to vibrate, e.g., Ar)

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