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Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/02/2009 4:23 PM

Hello everyone...

I have a question that bothers me for some weeks now. 120v/240v US appliance in Europe - Center tapped, split phase or rewiring

I moved to Europe (Cyprus) from the States and brought with me a new oven and a dryer as well as some other appliances. The reason I metioned those two appliances above is because they need 120/240v to work. I also bought 2 3000w 240v to 120v transformers (regulators) which have 2 regular US plugs (outlets) each.

The Oven and the dryer (Whirlpool)both need L1-L2-N-Ground. I understand that the voltage distribution between L1-N and L2-N is 120v whereas between L1-L2 is 240v which is used for the elements. Now the big dilemma is how to wire them up in Cyprus since the electricity is : 240v (L) -N-Ground.

1. I thought of buying a 15000W Center tapped transformer and basically do a small cabling in my under construction house to accomodate my oven and dryer from L1-L2-N as well as my Fridge from L1-N and Washer from L2-N. Also maybe install some US plugs from L1-N and L2-N for some smaller appliances such as mixer etc. I am worried about the balancing of the legs(Ls) though. The fridge will be on all the time loading only L1-N whereas L2-N and L1-L2-N will be loaded occasionally (whenever the oven is on or the washer or the dryer). Is it going to be ok for the center tapped transformer to be unbalanced most of the time? If not, is the idea of having just the appliances that require 120/240v plugged in to a center tapped transformer better? And maybe have the fridge on a regular 240->120v transformer by itself.

2. What is the "phase split" box? Can I just get one of those for each appliance that requires 120/240v and basically split the 240V phase into two 120V + Neutral and do my job? In such case, will the difference between the two splited Ls (L1-L2) be 240V? Is the degree angle between L1 and L2 be 180°?

3. I have the schematics of the oven...they are pretty clear to read but also kind of complicated to separate the 240v components from the 120v ones (basically controls and lighting). Do you think is a good Idea to mess up with the circuitry of the applicance and power up the 240v components directly as well as the 120v components via a regular small transformer? What if the 120v transformer fails while the oven supplies 240V directly to the elements? Or maybe that wouldn't be a problem since the control unit will shut down thus the supply to the element will also shut down?

4. Can I use my transformer's both output outlets to somehow supply L1 from outlet 1 and L2 from outlet 2? What about Neutral? Can I wire both neutrals from both outlets to the oven's neutral?

I will appreciate if you can answer my questions as well as if you guys can share your ideas and concerns and any other solutions to my problem. Also which solution do you think is better, safer, and less costly?

(ps. Sorry for my english.)

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/02/2009 5:58 PM

Have you considered the implications of the supply frequency difference? (Cyprus 50Hz, US 60Hz).

It will matter - to one extent or another - for everything with a motor in.

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/03/2009 3:50 AM

Lambrosfl,

My first thought would be to sell your 120/240Vac 60 Hz American appliances and get 240Vac 50 Hz European ones. The motors, transformers and electronics made for 60Hz may not like 50Hz. A lot of electrical and electronic appliances and motors may be rated for both 50 and 60Hz. Check to see if yours are and check to see if there are resetable options.

Number 1: That 15kVA center-tapped transformer would be a better choice. Compare the price of getting one with replacing your appliances with European appliances and not getting one.

Most other stuff in the home can run on local power. Imagine trying to find 115Volt light bulbs in Europe?

Number 2: For single phase "split phase" means the 240Volt transformer has a center-tap to provide two 120V lines to Neutral while providing 240 volts between the two 120 volt lines.

One so-called "phase split" box is for the whole house. Each line feeds circuits that, on average, produce a balanced load.

If the degree angle between L1 and L2 was not 180° you would have no 240V.

A center-tapped transformer can only be 180°.

Number 3: And burn down you new house?

Number 4: Your tranformers would be wired like this to approximate the split (center-tapped) power of an American home. Look at the power requirements of the appliances and see if the transformers would be able to handle that much.

N would be connected to earth ground. The same ground as one side of the 240Vac.

2 3000w 240v to 120v transformers (regulators) which have 2 regular US plugs (outlets) each.

I wonder what you mean by (regulators).

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/03/2009 10:26 AM

Hello and thanks for your replies...

I have considered the 50Hz and 60Hz difference. At least the Oven seems to be fine with the electronics (controls) as well as the rest of the components. Only the 2 fans are 60Hz but after some research I found out that those fans are universal and used by many companies and some of them come in 120/240v 50/60Hz if bought from Europe. Also they are cheap. Now the washer and dryer motors...well I don't know yet. I need to open them up.

Regarding the voltage regulator transformers I have...here is the link. I have the 3000 series.

http://www.sevenstar.com/110v-220v-voltage-regulators1.htm

Question: My transformer has 2 outputs (Plugs) Lets name them P1 and P2 for this question. If i get my multimeter and measure between L of P1 and L of P2 and get 240V as well as measure between L of P1 and N of P2 and vise versa and get 120V then does this mean that basically my transformer is a center tapped transformer providing 2 outputs with a common neutral???

Below are some Oven component pics... The picture named "Main Filter" is kind of interesting...It has specs 275V at 50Hz...yeap 50Hz....why is that??? Also note the components on the mainboard...they say 240V on them...

Main Control-Board

Left-Light Transf., Right-Control Transf.

Upper fan

Fuse (250v-30A)

Light transformer

MAIN FILTER

Main Filter wires

Input cables

One out of the three cables from each gold screw goes through a flex pipe to the outside of the oven for power input from the wall.

When it comes to the cost of a 10KW center tapped transformer from the UK...well the last offer I got was for 400GBP shipped to Cyprus which is around $600. Not that bad considering that I might be able to power up all of my appliances!!!

Any suggestions...or comments regarding the latest updates/pictures I posted above.

I will also appreciate it if you can please answer my questions.

Thanks again

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/03/2009 10:10 AM

I have a question, if you knew you were going there why did you buy new american appliances to connect to a foreign supply system which differs significantly?

It would make sense to me to buy locally. I hear of a lot of Americans doing this, was this your idea, did you receive advice or did someone suggest this to you?

I know you want a solution and this isn't one but this has happened so often and I have never been able to ask the person directly.

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/03/2009 10:35 AM

The reason I got them....This is the story behind the appliances :)

When it comes to the Fridge and Washer...Wedding gifts. But for those I thought I can use my 2 3000W 240v->120V transformers-one for each one. (or a center tapped if i get to get one)

Oven and Dryer...The BrandsmartUSA guy said that for sure they work in Europe under single phase 240V....which after all....was wrong!

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Re: Center Tapped, Split Phase, or Rewired?

11/03/2009 1:16 PM

Without getting into any other comments on your approach to fixing this issue, the use of a transformer, you do realize that there will be considerable energy usage keeping the core of this transformer magnetized?

Contact the manufacturer of the transformer you intend on using and get from them the minimum primary power, in watts, required to keep the core magnetized with the secondary unloaded. You will be surprised how much power your idea is going to consume.

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