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Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

11/25/2009 2:21 AM

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What are the differences between spot & full radiography (in designing pressure vessel or atmospheric tank)?

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

11/25/2009 4:46 AM

Full radiography would require that every inch of weld length be radiographed. For a big vessel this would mean hundreds of shots and a long process to complete, but you could then be assured that there are no flaws that will cause you a failure later.

Spot radiography on the other hand would use a philosophy like shoot 1% of the total weld length, at 10 spots, particularly critical spots like junctions to get 10% of the length. If there are no flaws found then pass. If a flaw is found then do another 10% just to make sure it is a one off. (repeat if another flaw is found, and if flaws continue to be found you will end up doing full radiography).

Typically if the vessel is very critical (high pressure, containing toxic or corrosive material) then you would do full radiography. If the vessel is a water tank, or as you mention an atmospheric tank, spot radiography is generally good enough.

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

11/25/2009 6:00 AM

Ok i understand Sir..

So, the meaning of 10 % spot radiography is 10 % of total weld length.

Then Sir, what is the relationship to Joint Efficiency (E), why ASME stated that joint efficiency for spot radiography is 0.85 then for full radiography is 1?

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

11/25/2009 11:15 AM

The spot radiography - is like a sampling plan.

The sampling plan never assumes zero defect. The AOQL (Average outgoing Quality level) as per the spot radiography has been assumed to be equivalent to 0.85% efficiency.

Of course on what basis I don't know, since like so many others with non-statistical background, ASME also is adept in going for adhoc approaches (and that you can see in a number of the ASME literatures, calculations and logics)

The 1 efficiency or 100% is again assumes defect free output (again statistically questionable) but that is how things are and you take it or leave the stamp it.

The unfortunate part is, the die hard fanatics, go strictly by the rules of the game and not the spirit (and anyway the referee is not likely to allow that either).

But then as an iconoclast engineer I like to challenge the set down norms.

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

11/26/2009 2:57 AM

For pressure vessels go to ASME VIII UW-11. Joint category or joint efficiency.

Spot: A % of the total lenght of the weld.

Random: (For pipe welds): Total lenght of the weld, over the determinate lot of welds.

Full: 100% of the welds

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

12/01/2009 8:18 AM

Spot Radiography requires one (1) shot for every 50' of weld and all tee joints...

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Re: Spot Radiography & Full Radiography

10/31/2016 11:21 PM

i am not understand of the meaning -

every 50' of weld and all tee joint

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