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AVRs and Parallel Generators

11/30/2009 10:38 AM

I am a Technical Superintendent with a shipping company.

Following repairs were done on two alternators.

Alternator 1 :failed to build voltage one fine day. Found that exciter stator windings had shorted,and AVR malfunctioned. Exciter stator was rewound, and AVR was put back into use "with some repairs" . Commissioned.All fine

Alternator 2:( 2 weeks after above incident) this particular alternator gives fireworks.Stator windings found burnt,exciter windings found damaged.Rewound and repaired for a higher grade of insulation.AVR all OK.Repairer has a market reputation too for credible jobs. After repair, stator winding insulation 100 Mohms for all 3 windings.WHEN recommissioned, and both alternators paralleled,AVR for this alternator as well as previous one burns.

Can you specialists out there please comment whether this is the mother of all coincidences.(Both AVRs were chinese improvisations. Bear in mind Alternator 1 AVR was "repaired".Did this so called repair give away and damage the other AVR too indirectly ?)

i did read in another discussion how a shorted exciter winding can damage an AVR, but can it also cause damage of the AVR for paralleled alternator???

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/01/2009 3:03 AM

I would first check the load for integrity- assume batteries- well known that s/c/ faulty batts can burn out alts/gens/avr,s. Other thing is synchro of parallel alt systems- critical.

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/01/2009 5:08 AM

Both generators had problems even they are sorted out.

The best way of inspection is to run each generator individually up to the full load for few hours.

If they are working without problem when not paralleled, then the decision is there is problem when paralleling. Coinsiding to counter phases during paralleling is generaly the main enemy of the AVR's and exciter windings.

One another main reason may be the engine failure, after paralleling, and in the position of the alternators are electromechanically interlocked (Clutched). If one engine goes out of control due mechanic reasons, the power, of which trying to interlock the alternators gets bigger and bigger to damage it's excitation system, as well as the AVR

Most of the alternators are equipped with balancing windings for a precaution in parallelling anomalies.

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/01/2009 9:00 AM

nezihozfirat; if they are paralleled, and for some reason one engine lacks fuel, the remain generator will continue to drive the fuel less generator as a motor, perry

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/02/2009 12:54 AM

hello there,

i will like to comment that

1)you have to check your Generators (All Testings) and for that you can search by the name of "motor winding status" forum applied before...

2)Your have to also check Your' site's AVRz

for testing of AVRs i did not find any refrence but you can google that and find it easily.

moreover, i will be in touch with the forum's notes and details if somthing come first in time

you can contact me at

moeezikram@aol.com...(Possibly reply in 24 Hrs from posting the mail)

also if you cannot find it (The mentioned forum) i can e-mail a .pdf file containing the details for testing the field and the stator for your generators...

Thanks

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/02/2009 1:04 AM

basically the AVR is also to be tested...

Check linearility according to the Variable input...

moreover check the input voltage keeps steady for the output at the minimum level...

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Re: AVRs and Parallel Generators

12/02/2009 10:02 AM

Gentlemen,

thank you for your time and comments.

I have managed to locate some local experts who will replace AVRs and at the sametime investigate the cause at site.

Once truth is out, i shall post the results,..

AS PER INCIDENTAL DATA,

A single generator was on load.

A newly repaired/ rewound alternator was to be commissioned.It was started and while attempting paralleling, the AVR blew.They removed an AVR from the 3rd generator panel and fitted it in place of this one, its fuse blew...implying that there was either 1) over current drawn for excitation 2) AVR had malfunctioned and unable to handle normal excitation current.

A RESIDUAL Voltage test showed , 10 volts across each phase equally.

With an excitation voltage of 12 V dc through a battery , the alternator built 62-66 V across each phase. and with 24 V excitation, built 120 V.

It appears therefore that the alternator is healthy and no error in rewinding???

( meanwhile, I apologise for stating in the first post that both WERE running parallel, incident occured while ATTEMPTING paralleling )

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