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Wind Tunnel Fabrication (Part 3)

12/08/2009 12:42 PM

Greetings All,

Is the fan salesman lieing to me? I tell him I need a 7-8 foot diameter fan that will produce at least 100 mph wind speed, he says his fan will do it, but the specs say it only does 365000 cfm., my math says this fan will only produce 26.95 mph. The question is am I using the right formula? (want "A" mph wind speed) x (88{88=1mph}) = FPM, take my FPM x fan size in sq. ft. = CFM.

My calculations show that if I want 110 mph wind for my wind tunnel then I need a 7 foot fan to deliver 1,489,364.8 CFM and that will require around 2,000 horsepower, am I correct?

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Re: Wind Tunnel Fabrication (Part 3)

12/08/2009 2:30 PM

OK, just to rough-in the numbers....

5280ft = 1 mile

60 mph = 1 mile per minute

....so roughly for each square foot of your moving column of air you need to move 5280 cubic feet per minute.

A circle between 7 and 8 ft in diameter could be 50 square feet. 264000 cfm for in mph and about about 430k cfm for 100mph and 50 square feet of coullumn.

on my phone, and in my head, but i think it is all square.

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Re: Wind Tunnel Fabrication (Part 3)

12/10/2009 7:07 PM

!!!

I can hardly believe I forgot my original intent of mentioning SKYVENTURE wind tunnels to you. I have spent a good amount of time in the Orlando tunnel (130 ~ 175 MPH). It is one of the best things to do in Orlando, (and reasonably priced).

Anyway, Skyventure lists on their corporate website the power plants and 'average KW use' for various wind tunnels ranging from 10ft dia. to 16.4ft dia.

SkyVenture designs, builds and operates Vertical Wind Tunnels in the United States and around the world. We currently offer 8 different models ranging in size from 10 to 16 feet in flight chamber diameter and in speed from 130 to 175+ mph. Our product line follows:

Power Plant Average KW Use* FC Diameter FC Area FC Volume FC Height
Model No. m ft sq m sq ft cu m cu ft m ft
10R2-800 2x335 299 3.04 10 7.6 81.6 112.5 3,971 8.8 29
10R2-900 2x450 299 3.04 10 7.6 81.6 112.5 3,971 8.8 29
12R4-1000 4x250 315 3.66 12 10.1 109 158.5 5,599 11.3 37
12R4-1200 4x300 315 3.66 12 10.1 109 158.5 5,599 11.3 37
14R4-1200 4x300 445 4.28 14 14.3 153.9 224.5 7,929 11.9 39
14R4-1400 4x350 445 4.28 14 14.3 153.9 224.5 7,929 11.9 39
16R4-1800 4x450 604 5.00 16.4 19.4 209 369.1 13,034 14.0 46
16R4-2000 4x500 604 5.00 16.4 19.4 209 369.1 13,034 14.0 46

0.746 KW = 1 HP so.. 299KW = 400HP (10ft) ...... up to 604KW = 810HP (16.4ft)

Benbenben

p.s. so classically me to initially do the figures correctly in my head (comment #1), then misinterperet a comment (comment#2) as showing I miscalculated, then erroneously 'correct' my original (comment #3).... only to later be shown (comment #5 i think) .. and feel the need to confess the whole ordeal.... this comment.

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12/10/2009 8:48 PM

Ben...,

Do you sell just the fan blades and if so how much?

do you want to talk privatly? if so send me a message thru my CR4 membership.

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12/11/2009 7:18 PM

Spacecannon

I do not sell fan blades (I sell money or buy debt...well, lease it actually).

I have been in the Skyventures wind tunnel in Orlando, and thought the site might be useful to you.

Check out some of the patents (on google patent) in the field of recirculating wind tunnels for ideas on attaining your wind tunnel goals with the least HP....

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12/11/2009 8:06 PM

Ben...,

Do you do IPOs? Angel financing? or anything related to financing ideas?

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Re: Wind Tunnel Fabrication (Part 3)

12/08/2009 3:28 PM

He looks right to me. I think you used diameter instead of radius.

100mph → 147fps

A = 3.52Π=38sf

Volume Required = 147(38)60=335160CFM

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12/08/2009 9:22 PM

You are right....I goofed on the square footage of a 7 to 8 foot diameter.... I should have said it could be 40 square feet..... Which whould bring calculations in line with yours......

The dangers of email via phone and no scratch pad....

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12/08/2009 9:38 PM

Passing..., you are right, I used Dia. instead of Rad., thx for helping me catch this error.

Thx to everyone. subject concluded.

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12/09/2009 9:33 AM

8 ft dia circle ~ 50 sq ft.

100 mph = 8800 fpm

8800 X 50 = 440,000 cfm

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Re: Wind Tunnel Fabrication (Part 3)

12/08/2009 9:32 PM

Seven foot wind tunnel? That's huge! Find somebody who already has one, NASA has one at Langley AFB near Yorktown Va. Maybe some college may have one. Villanova U. in Pa. has one, but it's only about a meter square, cost a pretty penny. Can't you do with a smaller one and model your project? A good wind tunnel has a lot of expensive sensor stuff, too. And it has to be calibrated for the results to be accepted.

Aw, shucks, you're at the Mohave Desert. Get a Porsche and a strain gauge. After the test you'll still have a Porsche. Cost will be the same. Accept no substitute.

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12/08/2009 9:55 PM

Mike K thx for the suggestions, Been through this before see part 1 and 2, Every wind tunnel Ive priced is at least $800-$1,000/hr, and I need a big one for modeling Blimps, and wind turbines,...model need to be 2'h x 3'w x 9'L scaling problem with size, much smaller and I start to loose continuit of the relationship, (I'm told by experts).

I see your Avatar, is a LTA ship, any knoledg of the subject?

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12/08/2009 10:11 PM

My avatar is the ZMC-2 metalclad. It flew sucessfully for a dozen years, way back in the Hindenburg days. A group and I are working on a new ship, it's a real fun challenge. I want to use petg-uv plastic, want the ship to be tough as nails. We haven't decided on shape or construction yet. I'm hoping to make a 1:10 model to test my ideas. If nothing else, it will make a cool rc model.

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12/08/2009 10:20 PM

Ok, mike, we should talk privatley. I'll email you with my email. spacecannon

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12/09/2009 9:38 AM

Build an 8 ft dia cylinder and mount it on a vehicle capable of running 100 mph with it. You're in the Mojave desert -- there ought to be plenty of room to drive for at least half an hour.

P. S. Don't forget to wear a seat belt, and use plenty of paper weights!

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