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Producing Hydrogen Gas

12/11/2009 11:23 PM

Ok, we all know you can make Hydrogen Gas By Reacting Calcium Hydride, CaH2, With Water To Form Calcium Hydroxide And Hydrogen Gas.

But is there anything else other than water that will do the same?

I want to use this process to make H2, but it will be in an enviroment that is below freezing, so water will be a solid. So need another liquid that will remain liquid that will also produce H2 with this process.

Anyone have any ideas?

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12/12/2009 11:58 PM

Sharpen the point, what temperatures?

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12/13/2009 1:29 AM

The colder the better?

I will try to keep it as warm as possible. But hey -40 F? a possibility?

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12/13/2009 5:26 AM

Hi NSS,

Your production method is going to suffer from the very low temperature as with every 10K change the rate either is halved or doubled. You can also produce hydrogen by reacting NaOH with Al metal. It was a popular way of producing the gas from scrap in the 1950s and being highly exothermic helped accelerate things once started.

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12/13/2009 11:30 AM

Just the rate changes not the final amounts right? I would assume?

The NaOH - Al seems a possibility ecept how does one get two solids to intermix? to produce the gas the most efficient way best cubic footage produced per pound of materials.

How exothermic? this is a plus too it could help keep things warm, because when the H2 is needed is also when it is getting colder too! so that a win / win

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12/13/2009 2:12 PM

how does one get two solids to intermix?

Dissolve NaOH in Ethanol maybe?

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12/13/2009 6:43 PM

Yes? No? on this?

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12/13/2009 7:03 PM

Yes NaOH will dissolve in Ethanol

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12/13/2009 9:43 PM

Hi NSS,

NaOH is highly hygroscopic some would say virtually deliquescent, having great solubility in water,and therefore it is an efficient anti-freeze in its own right. If you look at the position of Al in the Periodic table you will see that it is quite high and therefore can also be classed as highly reactive. It certainly is with respect to NaOH solution and the exothermic reaction generates enough heat to accelerate the process to the point where boiling occurs readily. The hyrogen produced is called 'nascent' and is more reactive than the bottled version. You will find that the gas also carries with it molecules of the NaOH particularly if boiling point has been reached and therefore it will be quite corrosive.

I am not sure what would be results if mixed with ethanol as a constant boiling mixture will result and the product will contain a certain amount of the ethanol in vapour form. This may or may not be a problem for you.

You may wish to experiment with cooling a sample of the NaOH down using liquid CO2 for example to determine the best dilution rate to avoid freezing.

As far as gas production is concerned that is not affected by the low temperature other than it obeying the Universal Gas Laws in respect of the volume generated at the solution temperature.

You will also find that fragmented Al is far more reactive than slabs/ blocks, so this also assists in getting things going.

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12/13/2009 8:02 AM

I think calcium hydride would work with methanol to make calcium methoxide and H2, but FLAMMABILITY IS AN ISSUE!!! Other alcohols such as ethanol, isopropanol, or possibly glycerin (crude or otherwise from biodiesel production) might work. You could use a mix of water and an alcohol that would be liquid at cold temps, like an antifreeze mixture (ethylene glycol or propylene glycol). But what will you do with the calcium stuff after you get your H2?

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12/13/2009 9:23 AM

Hello NSS,

As kids, my brother and I used to make hydrogen the easy way and without any chemicals which would have been nearly impossible for us to get a hold of.

We used to employ a hefty DC transformer from our model Railroad by building two electrodes with aluminum foil and placing them into upside-down test tubes that were then placed in a lab beaker full of water. The hydrogen would collect in the tops of the test tubes and when still under water it was easy to capture and transfer into our homebuilt toy "blimp". But many times we would just "light-off" the gas for the hell of it!!!!! We did find that by dissolving ordinary table salt into hot water worked the best. Beats me why it did this. I'm no chemist!

Try it, you'll like it!!!! *LOL*

Have a great sunny day!!!!!!

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12/13/2009 11:27 AM

Yes, This is true, but sorry, I need to minimize any power useage to do this. Power is a major cost. budget problem.

I only need to generate about 100 cubic feet a day. or so.

hmmm on the Idea.

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12/13/2009 12:56 PM

You might want to look at methanol/water reforming.

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12/19/2009 1:35 AM

The FP of water will be lowered (appox. 0.5 degrees per mole of impurities) slightly due to the colligative properties.

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