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Temperature measurement in ship

12/20/2009 12:30 PM

Hi , I was checking the exhaust temperature indication in a ship , there are 8 sensors (all K type T/c ) . connected to a selector switch and a single display unit . The temperature indications were all erratic i.e it was showing negative readings . When i connected the sensor directly to the display unit it was showing the room temperature but if the sensor is touched on the body of the ship then the reading goes negative . I changed the module and now the readings are ok . Can anyone explain to me what is the reason or why it is happening this way . what is the significance of grounding in this circuit and how to overcome this problem . Regards , Ajith

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Re: Temperature measurement in ship

12/20/2009 3:03 PM

The hull is at a different electrical potential with respect to the thermocouple inputs' ground reference and following the laws of physics, current flows in a loop between the two different potentials in what is called a ground loop.

The device reading the thermocouple signals did not have sufficient isolation from the ship's hull (ground). The ground loop voltage drop far exceeded the T/C signal, and was of the opposite polarity, driving the indicated signal negative.

When the T/C was hanging in the air it was 'floating'. When touched to the hull, it was put at the potential of the hull, with respect to AI ground.

It sounds like replacing the indicator solved the problem. The analog input on the device could have been electrically damaged.

A standard approach when encountering thermocouple ground loops is to use "ungrounded" thermocouple assemblies, which are assembled so that the sensor element does not contact the sheath/case/tube, effectively isolating the T/C from any potential of whatever its sheath contacts. Sometimes ungrounded T/Cs are replaced with look-alike grounded T/Cs at which point ground loops evidence themselves. Ungrounded T/c's have a slower thermal response because any heat transfer is through the insulating material.

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Re: Temperature measurement in ship

12/21/2009 8:32 AM

That selector switch configuration you referred to is a new one on me. Could there be a ground problem there? What about polarity? Jim

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Re: Temperature measurement in ship

12/21/2009 10:50 AM

You are probably well aware of this but just in case : Is the switch a new installation ? Does it switches both wires simultaneously (double pole) ? If you switch only one of the thermocouple wire with the other ones grouped as a "common", you would be introducing a new junction in your system that could lead to negative readings (erroneous in almost any case). I believe that switching both thermocoulple wires together through a single two poles 8 position switch would insure that similar extraneous junctions would be introduced on both wires between any given thermocouple and the indicator : In such case, extraneous potentials should essentially cancel each other.

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