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Pump Motor Selection

12/22/2009 9:20 AM

Hi, Recently I have started constructing home, and we dug borewell upto 600 feet for ground water. Since the ground water yield is not much, I was told I cannot use Submersible pump. Please let me know the best solution for pumping water in this scenario.

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Re: Pump motor selection

12/22/2009 3:52 PM

The hole is at 600ft. How many feet down the hole before you reach water? I.E. How far up the hole will water come on it's own?

personal note: I visited Bangalore a few months ago. I really enjoyed the food! The traffic was insane. At one point I counted seven vehicles across on a two lane road. The cool thing was that no one seemed to be upset in this crazy traffic.

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12/23/2009 2:14 AM

The estimated watler lever is 350 feet. I was given the suggestion that compressor motor will be ideal as submersible pump will be burnt because of insufficient water. Let me knwo your take on this.

In fact the pumping of water was only 1-1/2 hour on the first day and next day the quantity was for just 10 minutes.

Personal : Though, the traffic is crazy. There are several good things in Bangalore. Hope you enjoyed every bit.

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Trip to Bangalore was awesome and I truly hope to be able to go back some time.

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12/22/2009 11:12 PM

what else could you use?

as previous poster said what is the standing water level ? what is the pumping water level and gpm recovery of the well ?

I should think nothing but a submersible will work in your case.

please give more detail .

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12/23/2009 2:17 AM

THe standing water level is 350 ft. Water obtained on first day was for 1-1/2 hour and on second day for 10 minutes.

I understand submersible pumps may burn or trip frequently for this and was suggested to go for Compressor type.

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12/23/2009 12:00 AM

Around our way (Northern California, USA) we fit our deep well submersibles for domestic water supply with one of two types of control to keep the pump from running when inadequate water supply can cause overheating because lack of sufficient head makes water stay in the pump housing and heat up.

The first is a simple timer that shuts off after a certain period and allows a set period of time to lapse before starting again. The "on" period is obtained from direct experience of watching the pump perform. Timers like this are commonly sold here under the brand name "Intermatic"

The second type of device operates similarly with an added level of sophistication. In an initial calibration cycle it sets a "normal" current for operation on the system. Once this is established and set by an operator the pump will continue to run until a shutoff signal comes from something like a float switch in the tank. However if at any time the current drawn by the pump drops below some fixed proportion of full load (like 25%) the pump will shut down and not restart for a fixed period that the operator can set (like an hour or two or however long experience has shown the well needs to refill from surrounding strata. These things also require an initial amount of operator attention in order to get the current setting right and an awareness on the part of the user that conditions in the well and or pump can change over time end require some future adjustment of the controller.

I have a device of the latter type on my 440 foot deep well with a 3/4HP multistage submersible pump set at 400 ft. Tomorrow I'll try to get up to the well and find out the manufacturer and model number of this controller.

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12/23/2009 2:29 PM

I agree with Ed. There are many options to protect the submersible from burning up. One method not yet mentioned is level sensing which may be realized in several ways including pressure tubes and or physical floats located near the hanging submersible. Simply google 'level sensors'. You will need to get a very high quality pump to begin with considering the pressure you will be dealing with to push water to the surface from below 350-400. Remember the deeper you hang your submersible the more water you will be able to pump at any given time. A storage tank will be necessary. Allow your pump to run any time there is water to pump thru the day and night with an interlock that will prevent this cycle only when your storage is full. Even with slow recovery rates on the well you should be able to support a private residence quite well.

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12/23/2009 2:42 AM

One alternative that you can onsider is to use water jet-eductor where this eductor is the one submersible not the pump. The pump (centrifugal?) will pump the motive liquid (water) from the water tank and is passed through the eductor where it will suck well water and bring it to the surface and return back to the water tank.

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12/23/2009 3:28 AM

you need to speak to someone from a submersible pump company, there are several in India. It sounds like you have been given the wrong information. However you might have a "Dry Well" and no matter what you try, even injecting water into the hole you will never get any returns, the only thing to do is drill another well. If you cannot find a pump company come back to me

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12/23/2009 7:16 AM

ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS, YOU HAVE 260 POUNDS OF HEAD. YOU CPOULD USE PNEUMATICS, THEY ARE USED FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION AND ONLY PUMP WHEN THERE IS WATER ABOVE THE PUMP. YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUMP TO A STORAGE TANK AND THEN A SIMPLE JET PUMP 1/2HP PRESSURE TANK SETUP WOULD TAKE IT FROM THERE. WE USED THEM ON MULTIPLE WELLS AND THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED BY A PAIR OF KENYAN ENGINEERS WHOSE NAMES I NO LONGER RECALL. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE HELL OF A LIFT FOR NOT MUCH FLOW, IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE. EVEN IF YOUR SURFACE WATER IS POOR, RO AND CHLORINE SEEN LESS PROBLEMATIC. I HAD TO PULL A SUBMERSIBLE FRON 630' AND NEVER WISHED TO REPEAT IT. MUTISTAGE SUBMERSIBLES CAN MEAN MULTIPLE STAGE FAILURES. REPAIRS ARE EASY BUT PULLING THAT PUMP REQUIRES ASSISTANCE FROM STRONG BACKS.

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12/23/2009 9:23 AM

You go for air compressor for getting water from the bore well. It is best suitable for your requirement. Because when there is no/less water nothing happens to compressor. But if you choose submersible pump coil will burn if there is no/less water.

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