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Proportional Controller

12/30/2009 12:42 PM

Dear friends, I want to know that why offset error occur in Proportional controller. As much i understand controller output i.e. e=SV~PV , so until there is error it should take action to eliminate error, but it sets on other value...... Plz help

Also what is manual reset as i read in PID manuals and what mean by Bias...

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Re: Proportional Controller

12/30/2009 4:06 PM

<quote>so until there is error it should take action to eliminate error, but it sets on other value. </quote>

This is incorrect. There will be NO (corrective output) action taken until there is an error. Closed loop proportional systems are always playing catch up. (some are quite fast)

Offset to me, simply indicates the error detecting sensor input, and the output feedback sensor are not scaled the same. Hence the need for an offset factor. Bare in mind the offset may need to be inverted.

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Re: Proportional Controller

12/31/2009 3:40 AM

Proportional-only action cannot eliminate error. To do that requires integral action as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PID_controller

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Re: Proportional Controller

12/31/2009 1:13 PM

First, the definitions: 'reset' is the rate of integration, so a manual reset is an adjustable 'I' in a PID controller. Resets can also be adjusted by external signals (for example, 0-100% in programming or 4-20 mA for a 'hardware' PID controller); an external adjustment for integration rate is called an 'external reset'.

'Bias' is the number that you add to the 'internal' output signal or value of a controller to get the final output signal or value. For example, in a proportional controller, if you want the signal to the control valve to be 50% when error = 0 (for example, if the value of the controlled variable (PV) = setpoint (SV) = 50%), then you must have a bias of 50%, which gets added to error = 50% - 50% = 0. Otherwise, the controller's output signal would be zero when error = 0.

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Re: Proportional Controller

10/04/2013 4:40 PM

That's because you are trying to see "something" in a feedback proportional controller and there is nothing there.

Lets play with our brain. imagine a simple transfer function in an open loop with a "step" temporary function.

!!!There is an Offset¡¡¡

Every system fight against change!!! you can see it in the expresions.

The proportional closed loop simple loses strenght when the error is becoming zero.

So this Offset will remain.

Sorry if i wrote something badly. english is not my first lenguage.

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Re: Proportional Controller

10/10/2013 8:51 PM

Proportional control calculates an output, based on how the error relates to the 'size' of the proportional band. In response to the output change, the process changes reflected in a process variable change.

At some point, the capacity or ability of the output to change the process can run to its limit. At that point, some error remains because the output of the controller is not capable of changing the process.

Here's an arbitrary example with the red line showing droop at 388 degrees even though setpoint is 400 degrees.

Temperature scale 0-600 Deg. Span = 600 deg.
Setpoint (SP) = 400 deg
Process variable (PV) is the measured temperature, the input to the controller)
Output is scaled 0-100%

Proportional band (PB) = 20%
20% of 600 deg = 120 deg proportional band
The proportional band (PB) is split in half around the setpoint, so the PB range is 60 deg below setpoint to 60 deg above setpoint.

The upper limit of the proportional band is 460 degrees.
- When the PV is above 460 it is outside the PB and the output is 0%
The lower limit of the proportional band is 340 degrees.
- When the PV is below 340 deg, it is outside the PB and the output is 100%

When the PV is between 340 deg and 460 deg, it is inside the PB and the output modulates between 100% and 0%. Heating is reverse action, so the PB is 100% at the lower temperature, decreasing as the PV (temperature increases).

When the SP = 400 deg and the PV is 388 deg, the error is -12 deg.

A -12 deg error calls for a 60% output, because 388 deg is 40% from 340 deg or 60% from 460 deg (reverse action for heating).

If the 60% output capacity is not capable of increasing the load temperature, then the temperature will hold at that value. The error due to the inability to achieve setpoint due to proportional only control is called 'droop'. The droop is due to an output calculated for the given error and the fact that the calculated output does not have the capacity to achieve the setpoint, and there is no other factor or term, like reset action, to correct for the error over time.

In the example, the error remains at -12 degrees, with an output at 60%. Droop is stable control, but not control at setpoint.

Early proportional controllers had a knob on front. Rotating the knob would adjust the entire proportional band 'up' or 'down' to adjust the output to one that could achieve setpoint. It came to be called manual reset, because the operator was 'resetting' the output.

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