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REVRSE POWER RELAY

01/03/2010 6:21 AM

HOW REVERSE POWER OR BACK POWER RELAY WORK IN GAS OR STAM TURBINE . WHAT ARE THE BASIC SEETING ? PLS SEND ME DETAIL

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Re: REVRSE POWER RELAY

01/03/2010 7:19 AM

1. Please don't panic.

2. Please turn off all-caps (capital letters).

3. Please don't repeat the same post or idea in too many places.

I am not a power plant expert, even though I have successfully run a few small paralleling and split switchboards. But until better experts come aboard, I will try to take a crack at this.

If I understand theory somewhat correctly, the interactions between your equipment and the grid will force your equipment into synchronous rpm (frequency) with the grid. (Induction motors have slip, but synchronous motors and generators don't, unless something is really haywire.) [Finite bus equipment governors may have droop, but I hope to sidestep explaining that, and assume isochronous...I think, but whack me if I'm wrong.]

Under those assumptions, if your plant is going to put power into the grid (rather than absorb power out), your voltage must be a little bit higher. If not, the grid will feed power back into your equipment. This sounds like the "generator back power" message you got. From all this I would suspect that the voltage regulation on one or more of your equipment items is set too low, or a regulator is malfunctioning.

Or if a governor is malfunctioning, it could "try" to slow the generator down, which won't happen, because grid voltage flows backward and makes the generator keep up. Here is where my experience is not enough; I'm not sure how to distinguish these two conditions, nor do I know how your instruments can detect which is which. Therefore these comments are only some ideas. I hope they help a little.

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Re: REVRSE POWER RELAY

01/04/2010 6:10 AM
if two generators synchronised and are punning parallel,
the total load divided and generator takes half of the
total load upon it.
some times because of load unbalancing one generator
shifts his total load on second generator and run as a
motor . before this condition the generator is taking load
upon him and now it will became as a load and it will run
as a motor insted of generator.
in this condition the second generator winding can be
damage, so we use reverse power relay. because the
direction changed of power , so we called it reverse
power
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Re: REVRSE POWER RELAY

01/05/2010 5:45 AM

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01/04/2010 6:18 AM

Generator is normally feeds power to the infinte grid which
is having a number of generators connected.
If by some reson turbine gets tripped but if GCB not get
opened in that case there will be a reverse flow of power
from grid to stator wdg and the generator will behave as a
induction motor. In this case there will be a heating of
rotor end ring and and outer wedges of the same which will
in turn damage the rotor winding. To avoid this reverse
power flow is resricted by tripping the generator on
reverse power flow.

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Re: REVRSE POWER RELAY

01/05/2010 4:19 AM

"How reverse power or back power relay work in gas or steam turbine. What are the basic setting? Pls send me detail"

Reverse power or back power it happened when the primary supply is removed while generator is connected to the grid (power system) and the field excited, the power system will drive the generator as a synchronous motor. For steam or gas turbine it causes overheating and potential damage to the turbine and turbine blades. This also occur by closing the steam or fuel gas valves too fast during a load reduction or by tripping the turbine while not corresponding tripping the generator breaker.

The relay type is directional relay, connected to operate when power flows into generator. It was to sense approximately 0.5% or higher of generator rating with time delay around 3 seconds or more (depend on generators vendor recommendation).

The following information should not be followed without generator vendor's recommendation:

As an example steam turbine generator with rating 12.5 MW at PF = 0.8, Voltage phase to phase = 13.8 kV. Recommended power reverse is 125 kW. Minimum pick-up relay = 0.025 A (CT secondary side) at 120 V.

CT ratio = 1000/5 = 200 and PT ratio = 14400/120 = 120.

Calculation:

Current occur when turbine steam stop flowing: Im = 125 kW/( 1.732 X 13.8kV) = 5.24 A at primary CT side.

Current at secondary CT: im =5.24/200 = 0.0262 A

Secondary voltage of machine nominal rating = (13.6/14.4) x 120 = 115 V

So, minimum pick-up relay at 115 V = I pick-up = (120/115) x 0.025 = 0.026.

It shown that im>I pick-up.

To avoid trip during paralleling time delay 5 or 3 seconds is selected.

If im < I pick-up we have to increase recommended power reverse (of course the vendor approval is required).

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