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Making Cheap Electrostatic Air Cleaners

01/05/2010 12:41 AM

Is there any way to cheaply make an electrostatic air cleaner, other than placing 2 television screens a few inches apart and blowing air through them? My wife is going nuts in our house. We have decent air filters in the central air unit, which is not running right now anyway, due to my use of a big woodburner in the basement. I finally got her to quit using the central unit when i removed a vent cover and pulled out a handfull of her dust problem and made her come see it. The house is a rental, so proper ductwork cleaning is out of the question. I have tried boxing in a fan with air filters, but that doesnt help. She cannot get the house dusted before more dust has settled where she cleaned. Can i do somthing as simple as run a dc current through 2 steel window screens, one on the positive side of the circuit, and one on the neg side? Most of our 'dust' is small enough to pass through most air filters. And the fine ash from cleaning out my stove every few weeks contributes to this dust issue as well. I think some type of water filter may be needed. Any cheap ideas out there? thanks, charles

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01/05/2010 3:54 PM

I had similar problem when the step daughter developed what the Dr. explained as a dust allergy. I asked him to write a prescription for an air cleaning device; generic. Then with the prescription (tax deduction) I bought a Princess Vacuum cleaner. These have a three stage filtering system, as vacuuming is occurring no dust will be allowed to escape the machine and you can leave it run for couple hours to filter the air of a space too. I've had it twenty years and it's lifetime warranty is effective but haven't needed yet.

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01/05/2010 11:50 PM

Get a HEPA air filter unit. They do better than electrostatic air cleaners (I've had both). You can get small ones for a bit over $100 that are good for a single room or bigger units that will cover an entire house that has good air circulation.

Since you don't apparently run the forced air unit, a whole house system would be a waste.

HEPA filter replacement can cost $100 or more but they only need replacing every few years. Prefilters, cheaper, have to be replaced and or cleaned more frequently.

The HEPA filtered vacuum cleaner will not blow dust back into the air in any significant volume. You might find an adequate substitute to be a waxy cloth or a microfiber cloth with a sprayed on dusting wax (or whatever is in the dusting sprays you place on the cloth, not the furniture. You can get this stuff for dust mops you use on the floor too. Holds the dust until you was the mop head.

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01/06/2010 1:07 AM

GA, guest. My experience parallels yours. We tried a large Honeywell electrostatic air filter in our central air conditioning just upstream from the air handler in the attic. Cross-sectional area is about 4 square feet. After a year or two of operation with recommended cleaning intervals it started spitting ozone. As time went by it got worse to the point where it was doing real harm to my wife's allergies and asthma. We replaced it with a brand new unit and the same cycle repeated only in a shorter time.

Then we found HEPA filters on the internet that were a direct drop in replacement for the removable metal filter cells in the Honeywell unit. Air quality is much better and my wife reports a significant improvement in her breathing. We actually run the fan part of the central system continuously about half the time usually at night. Also on the system air inlet we have always used the usual furnace filters except of a fairly high grade to rough filter the big stuff out of the air before it gets to the HEPA filters. This inlet area totals about 5.5 square feet between two grates. I usually vacuum out the front of these filters every couple of months and replace them twice a year.

Our house is in a particularly dusty mountain area in the Californai Coast range. The size is 1400 square feet and as California houses go I'd say it's about average in its ability to leak air from the outdoors. The air handler circulating fan Has a 1/3 HP motor running a squirrel cage blower. Use of it has a significant effect on our electric bill. And we still have to dust the furniture and venetian blinds pretty often. Our pellet stove for winter heating doesn't help this any.

One other comment about DIY approaches. The Honeywell filter power supplies run at about 8000 volts. You'd best know what you are doing. Don't try checking them with a good DVM.

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01/06/2010 2:38 AM

Hi,

check the ozone remover from these units - very likely not working.

8 KV is much too high and will generate a lot of ozone and erode the wire grid.

If ozone is generated it has to be destroyed - I assume that a charcoal filter will do but I am not sure.

There is no need to use this high voltage, - 4.5 KV is sufficient, and should never be exceeded.

Ozone is an awful poisonous gas - more toxic than hydrogen-disulfide, and this is worse than hydrogen-cyanide.

Make sure that the voltage is negative as then it will ionise nitrogen molecules from the air and drive ions into the air by electrostatic repulsion. This is giving much more efficiency than operating with positive voltage.

These nitrogen ions will attach to dust particles and bring the particles to settle near the ground electrode (also with poorly conducting wall panels I had a black patch on the walls of my office within 1 month).

I tinkered with these not so much because of allergies but my mother had a bad sensitivity for cold-fronts from cyclones coming in from the north. (10 hours in advance she had bad headaches and similar symptoms. All negative affects vanished with the air sufficiently ionised!) But from the dust collection at my office walls I learned about dust removal.

The Israeli army - to my information- developed this in the 1960 years as they were heavily affected by the dust laden desert winds of Shamun that are driven by high temperature gradients from desert to sea.

So for DIY: take apart some old office copying machines, often there are two high voltage power supplies at just the right voltage, discard the positive and use the negative.

They too limit the voltage to - 4.5KV in order not to generate a lot of ozone. Dead customers are not good customers.

You need to be extremely careful with these high voltages - not only because the current may be really dangerous if above 3 mA! If there is a surface that may act as a capacitor and it gets charged then you have a capacitor charged to 4.5 KV! and this is not intended to be touched.

I once had a small indicator supplied with one of the commercial units of this type (used for additional cleaning of clean-rooms after a stack of good filters provides clean air).

These indicators are made of a small 100nF, 200V foil-capacitor in parallel to a 120V glow-discharge bulb. This will give a short pulse of light as soon as the capacitor is charged to above the switching (to conductive) voltage (near 120V) of the bulb. This worked pretty well until the lamp broke (or had a minor defect in the glass) and the capacitor charged to its breakdown voltage of near 500V and as the conductive path through the lamp was and stayed open this voltage and charge discharged over my fingers, body, feet - rubber insulated shoes and PVC floor. No damage occurred but I quit working for that day (now 30 years ago but still burning memory!)

You need to connect the voltage to a grid of wires- the smaller the better, or to a metallic frame with a lot of small tungsten needle points.

Tungsten (or platinum) is needed else natural erosion will quickly remove the necessary sharpness.

Sharp points of the needles are needed else the local field-strength at the tip is not sufficient for ionisation. (May be that is why they use 8 KV and accept the necessity of a carbon ozone to oxygen converter?)

I never tinkered with sharp and partially conducting ceramics that should do the same or better and are cheap next to nothing: try silicon-carbide grit raked onto a flat metallic panel as the negative. Or get a used or new SiC grinding wheel for the same purpose, maybe a wet grinding paper works too - but I doubt about conductivity lengthwise with this. May need some metal-powder (any type) rubbed into the gaps between individual SiC grains.

HEPA is good but needs also some watching the properties (minimum the pressure difference).

Coarse filtering, electrostatic filter with proper maintenance and HEPA filter is best but needs care.

Get a book on clean-room technology!

Checking these voltages: I have a high-voltage probe for my handheld FLUKE 27.

DIY only for persons who know what they do.

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01/06/2010 3:25 AM

Rhabe -- It's a good answer; but not because I think the OP should be taking the DIY approach. I just don't know enough to say that.

But you have given a lot of information on the subject that is interesting and informative to me and I suspect others of us.

I do think it's worthy of note that Honeywell developed those electrostatic air filters some 40 years ago when the health problems associated with ozone were not widely understood. I think they kept that product on the market for longer than they should have. I'm not sure; but I think they no longer sell those things into the residential market.

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01/06/2010 4:29 AM

Hi,

I have an old one from Honeywell, (bought back in 1981) that we used to filter the air that entered a plastic tent. That was attached to and used to shield a lapping machine from outside dust that resulted in scratches.

I will have a look if there is an ozone removal filter built in.

Early laser printers had that filter. I did never take apart a new one younger than built 2000 or later).

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01/06/2010 10:50 AM

Honeywell still sells Electronic air Cleaners. They are approved by the American Lung Association. They are the only ones that I use. I have one in my own house.

The biggest problem with air cleaners is not the unit directly. Poor installation practices will cause poor performance as well as ozone problems. The other issue is maintenance. Proper cleaning at regular intervals is also required. I have seen air cleaners where the pre filter screens are missing and the main cells are so packed with dirt that you can not see through them.

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01/06/2010 12:52 PM

Icarus - Thanks for you comments. They are interesting and instructive.

And they lead me to suspect that the issues I had were maintenance related. I paid a good bit of attention to this and followed the manufacturer's instructions relative to frequency of cleaning in the dishwasher. My suspicion is that something in the dishwashing process, either the detergent, the water or a combination of the two might have created a surface transfomation in the filter materials leading to increased conductivity and possible greater sensitivity to humidity changes.

We soften our well water, since it is fairly "hard". But softening doesn't remove the minerals. It just exchanges them for minerals that are more soluble in the water. There are times when the softening does not work as well as it could and under such conditions mineral deposition in the drying cycle of the dishwasher could have been a culprit. I have observed that over periods of years the everyday kitchen glassware develop what looks like an etching of the surface due to our particular dishwasher chemistry.

My question to you has to do with your water quality and the method you use to clean your main filter units, the ones with the high voltage wires. Would you take a few minutes to share your experience with such maintenance work?

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01/07/2010 6:33 AM

looks like an etching of the surface due to our particular dishwasher chemistry.

Hi Ed Weldon,

I experienced the same but with very pure water (no hard water here locally but some dolomite (Ca-Mg(CO3)2) added by the supplier to bring down corrosive action on metals).

Our glasses developed a faint blue tint that was corrosion by a too strong dishwasher agent containing chloride.

The blue tint originates from interferometric principle of the etched surface - like anti-reflection coating on optics. The etched parts leave a glass with a leached surface, if blue then only with an optical thickness of a quarter wavelength or 0.1µm that is near a mechanical thickness of 70 nanometer!

If you want to remove the problems with your water then another type of water softening would be recommendable: complete ion exchange with two exchanger columns, one to be regenerated with muriatic acid the other one with caustic soda.

This will generated DI- water, not allowed to drink as very low in dissolved minerals!

So add what you think is essential for your health. Or mix with too hard water to get good drinkable water. Or mix with a small amount of ocean water to have the may be best mix of minerals suitable for our health.

A very happy New Year to you

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01/07/2010 12:41 PM

At first I would soak the elements and filters in a laundry tub filled with hot water and laundry detergent. This was back in the day when a lot of people smoked. I had to were gloves as the nicotine would float to the surface and any contact with skin would give you quite the buzz. Than hose them off.

Today I place my cells and filters in the dishwasher with regular dishwasher detergent and run a long power scrub cycle.

As for a water softener, I can not really propose any ideas; as where I live, the only people that have them are the ones gullible enough to buy one. Our potable water is not hard.

The ides that I do have are the following:

-what is your hot water temperature? Very hot water combined with an aggressive detergent will cause a film to form on your glass ware.

-what is the age and condition of your hot water tank? Is it full of mineral deposits? Is the sacrificial anode still there?

-are there any missing wires (ionising wires) on your cells

-are there any bent or deformed collector plates? Any change in the distance between these plates will cause problems or failure.

-when the cells and filters go back in they must be absolutely dry.

-here is the dumb question. Most air cleaners have two pre filters and two cell assembly's. I have come across instances where a person would pull the first filter and cell and not realize that there are more in the frame. Thus only one half of the unit is being cleaned.

-If your unit has a test button, after reassembly try it. If there is a sparking noise and the indicator light dimes or goes out good. No noise and there is a problem.

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01/06/2010 2:58 AM

Hello Ed.

I didn't mention having a HEPA filter on the central unit because the OP's doesn't work. The OP lives in a particularly dusty area too.

Small wonder you're interested in "time of use meters"

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01/06/2010 1:06 AM

to make that electrostatic cleaner you need a cheap dc power supply 100vdc out add voltage doubler circuit 20 capacitors and 20 diodes to cascading it to a few thousand volts also tie negative to to neutral AC in or it will not work add a small tip antenna to the last stage of the doubler cascade careful the tip is hi-voltage you will notice dust collecting at any grounded wall outlet like inside the old TV's

have fun watch out for a shocking experience

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01/06/2010 1:27 PM

I have a woodstove and a Honeywell electrostatic air filter and LOTS of dust in the house. I am thinking of converting to hepa filters. Easily obtainable and no ozone or power consumption.

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01/07/2010 12:54 AM

Sounds like my cheapest, safest and most utility bill friendly option may well be to place 2 television sets a few inches apart, along with running a small hepa filter unit. I have all of these laying around here somewhere. If the hepa needs a new filter, i may just go to a box fan or 2 covered with paper towels, sprayed with enddust or something. How about some type of water filter setup, any ideas on that? maybe pull air through a tank of water, like a supersized fish bubbler? Remember, the goal here is CHEAP and effective. I have a small business, and it is the off season, unless there is another ice storm. $100 for a room sized unit wont cut it. Let alone replacement filters.

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01/07/2010 3:18 AM

How about some type of water filter setup, any ideas on that?

Sure...

How about use a leaf blower or shop vac + tub of water

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01/07/2010 5:20 AM

Scrubbers are very high energy for their job and the particle size it can remove is a function of the energy input - the higher the energy, the smaller the particle size removed.

Basically, it needs to form water drops about the size of the particles to be removed, hence the need for high pressure drop to form these droplets where water is in contact with the air/dust.

There was a design of venturi scrubber which had a flooded venturi throat through which the air was drawn ( as per conventional scrubber) and the drops were then electrostatically charged, getting the best of both types.

Apparently this type could collect well down into the sub micron range without incurring too great a pressure drop, by allowing larger drops to attract much smaller particles.

The Honeywell unit achieves 95% or so efficiency down to sub-micron and has very low pressure drop and power consumption - generally lower than a HEPA filter for the same flow rate. Of course the flow rates an es filter will handle are quite large and a suitable HEPA filter for this flow is big and expensive.

For most es domestic/commercial use, the flow rate through the filter is well below it's capacity.

Making one shouldn't be too hard. You need an array of charger wires run at high dc voltage (generally 2000 or so) then a grid of earthed plates to attract and collect the dust.

The collector plates need brushing or washing every so often to remove accumulated dust. The charger wires don't collect much but need an occasional clean. Otherwise, there is little maintenance required, and they should last a long time without trouble.

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