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The Debacle That Was the Copenhagen Climate Conference

01/12/2010 7:28 PM

Here is a Newspaper article on the subject of the model used in Copenhagen that I found quite interesting and thought might provoke some debate.

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Re: The debacle that was the Copenhagen Climate Conference

01/12/2010 7:48 PM

Dear Prof,

I read the newspaper article and see only impossibilities ahead.

Thanks for giving me more reasons to be depressed.

No scholar or scientist confronted by the facts provides any comforting directions when they acknowledge that there is no system in place to overcome the nationalism we will not let go of.

Should I really say prepare for war?

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Re: The debacle that was the Copenhagen Climate Conference

01/12/2010 9:15 PM

I think the approach needs a serious rethink...

Regardless of weather or not the current climate changes are man made we need to deal with them, and given the current realities grand schemes designed to control carbon emissions are silly. Even if we stopped industrial emissions, and stopped cutting down trees and burning them in third world countries around the world today, there will still be climate change, and the earth's temp will continue to rise.

Given that, stop trying to engineer the atmosphere, a very complex system that is not sufficiently understood or properly modeled (sorry Roger but is extremely arrogant to think that climate scientists are 100% right and that climate change is closed subject), and start dealing with engineering problems related to climate changes that are bound to happen regardless.

When the ice ages happened in the past people moved toward the equator. As things get warmer now and sea levels rise, people need to move away from the coast. That is a engineering problem we have the technology to solve.

As rain patterns change, there will be water shortages in some places, we either need to move water or people. That is an engineering problem that we have the technology to solve.

In our modern world it is stupid to chop down the rain forest for firewood or for crops. That is an engineering problem we have the technology to solve.

In our modern world it is stupid to drive around in large trucks to go to the movies (are you listening USA?). That is a engineering and a social problem that is easy to solve.

In our modern world it is stupid to rely so heavily on hydrocarbons for energy. That is a engineering problem that we have the technology to solve (although the conversion will take time).

Cheap plentiful food is easy to come by in many parts of the world, but not in others. That is an engineering problem that we have the technology to solve.

We need to abandon the current path, and start solving the problems that are easy or that we already have the technology to solve.

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Re: The debacle that was the Copenhagen Climate Conference

01/12/2010 11:08 PM

Kudos, Steve S. It is really a moot point what causes climate change- the real issue is how to deal with it. Artificial sequestration of carbon appears to be a high-dollar boondoggle that has a long way to go to prove it will have even a minimal effect- the money could be better spent by building new nuclear plants to replace some of the coal burners, or to address some of the other issues you suggest. We could also add a significant luxury tax on those who insist on driving their over-sized all terrain vehicles a couple of miles down a paved road to pick up a six pack. We could rethink our zoning strategies, and permit people to live closer to work and essential services, so they don't have to drive so much. These sorts of approaches could be achieved on a national basis, without worrying about impacting our competitive position in the world marketplace. It may even turn out that we would become more competitive by becoming more efficient in our consumption of resources...

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