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replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/15/2010 7:08 PM

Gday,

I am trying to get an old Stamford Generator going again. I am replacing an old series 4 AVR board with an SX 440.

The old series 4 had 9 terminals. Labelled P1 9 P2 P3 XX P4 X 3 2 1 All were connected except 9.

The new SX 440 has following pins K2 K1 (linked) P2 P3 P4 XX X 3 2 and then small 2 1 which are also linked.

All the reference material says to refer to generator wiring diagram for connection but we do not have one and can't find one online.

Can anyone advise me of equivalent connections or tell me where to find a wiring diagram.

Any help appreciated.

Greg from Australia

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/17/2010 4:19 AM

Hello Mr. Greg,

W2+W5=wire no-6 will be connected: P4 (If 3 phase sensing used only). I think no need to connect it.

V2+V5=wire no-7 will be connected: P3 and link with 3

U2+U5=wire no-8 will be connected: P2 and Link with 2. Small 2 1 will be linked normally.

X=F1, XX=F2 for excitation supply.

Link AB= over 550KW, BC=90~550KW, CA= less than 90KW.

I think it may hep u.

If u give me your email ID I can send u details wiring diagram and manuals.

Thanks

Abu Hanif

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hanif.pgd@energypac.com

www.energypac.com

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/17/2010 7:25 AM

If u can still remember the Stamford connection, note the following for the new AVR. K1,K2 are for external voltage regulation.1,2 are for open link 60Hz and close link 50Hz. Note that XX and X is usually what u know as exiter out put. P2 and P3 are for L1 and N on the generator out put terminals.

Note: if u can read circuit drawings, turn the board and read the circuit, that will further help u. I still have some doubts about p3 and p4 which of them should be connected to the neutral of the gen, but it is same as in stamford. leave other links open. I have the manual and will send it to u latter, am currently out of my station.

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

10/02/2010 9:31 AM

I have a 500 KVA `Genset with SX 440 AVR It can not produce Voltage so I removed the wires from X and XX terminals of AVR and connect a 12 V DC supply to Field coil connection F1 and F2 (keep x and xx connection of AVR opened)then start the genset I got a supply of near 340V .Then i connect a 60w lamp to x and xx connection of AVR again start the genset the bulb glows but it cannot switch off when i am rotate the voltage potentiometer to anticlockwise.I am coming in to the decision that the AVR failed.Is it Correct or not?

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

10/02/2010 12:23 PM

Please ur not in the right place. Ur asking a question in an answer page. Direct ur question properly.

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/18/2010 11:43 AM

Hi

Just live the links on K1-K2

P2 AND 2 goes to the main stator connection 8

P3 AND 3 goes to the main stator connection 7

P4 live it blank

XX is connected to the Exiterstator F2

x is connected to the Exiter stator F1

A1 AND A2 GOES TO POWER FACTOR CONTROLLER

These are the connection for SX440 AVR

Rgds

Aisha

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/19/2010 4:10 AM

Thank you all for your help.

Aisha, I can clearly understand what you have said about the sx440 connections. What I am wondering is if you look at the terminal diagram of the old series 4 board. Following your instructions it leaves me with leads which used to connect to the old board called p1,and 1 and now p4(as you said) with no connection. Can I just leave them off? I did read that p1 is a ground and not needed with the newer boards, but do not know what the function of the wires 1 and p4 are from the old board? Just don't want to blow the new board up so am trying to get it right.

Any help appreciated

greg.

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01/19/2010 11:12 AM

Greg

Lets go this way, now the old AVR had ten [10] terminals with only nine [9] terminals connected. Now I need to know the cables connected to each of the nine [9] terminals were they come from or were they supply.

for instance....AVR XX or negative [-] terminal is connected with cable comming from Exiter stator cable marked F2

AVR X or positive [+] terminal is connected with cable comming from Exiter stator cable marked F1

This is what I want you to furnish me with, I am sure we will fix it

hope to hear from you

Rgds

Aisha

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Re: replacing Stamford series 4 AVR with SX440 in old Stamford C244B generator

01/20/2010 3:32 AM

aisha

That is where my problem lies.I have no information and am unable to track to f1,f2 etc. all I have is the leads clearly marked with the labels for the old series four board.

I was hoping a reader may have had a schematic of an old series four board like mine and from that be able to interpret which leads I could safely leave off. I am very tempted just to connect up to the sx440 as you have mentioned and tape up the p1,1 leads from the old board. I did wonder if the old board "sampled" voltage from three outputs for voltage regulation whereas this board only samples two and p1,1 from the old board are redundant? sorry I'm not more helpful.

Thanks for your efforts

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01/20/2010 4:53 AM

Greg, thers is somthing I will want u to undrestand about AVR. Any AVR that matches the capacity of ur genrator can be used. The most important things to consider are the imput voltage and exitation out put voltage of the AVR in question. The Stamford/Markon AVR in question is used in several mordel generators as good replacement. I prefer using them since it is very eazy to repair. when used in other generators, p4 is always removed and other unused terminals are linked together. If ur generator is small U can even use a Serial 6 AVR with only 4 terminals to connect; the exiters and the generator terminal voltage of 220V.

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