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BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/21/2010 10:00 AM

Good Day @LL,

i have a question regarding the ball valve sealing seat area !?

if we have a Ball Valve, which seat side will you depend on ? will it be Up stream the pressure or down stream the pressure ?

as we know there are two seats on ball valves and both are with springs.

here some of experinced guys 25+ years they say the down stream pressure seat. their explanition was because of pressure of the flow on the ball will load the ball against the down stream seat.

others say the up stream seat is the primery seal which will seal the cavite of the valve depending of the deferent on pressure acting on the seat faces ( the flow will push the seat aginst the ball) and the ball aginst the downstream seat will be secondery seal. and we can not allow the upstream passing because the cavity will be pressurized and will push aginst the downstream seat.

Now if we think about both are right in one way or other.

the thing is which way should we go .

to me both make since, but am more with the downstream seat. because the pressure acting on the ball surface is much much higher than the pressure on the seats, so the ball will be pushed to seal on the downstream.

please give me your ideas and experince :)

Matar

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Re: BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/21/2010 9:00 PM

Think about the surface area : which is more ? the seat exposed to the flow path or the ball crossection?

The answer will be clear, infact there is no ambiguity, there is only one answer.

Think about check valves ? or the old fashined bi-cycle handpumps?

Usually however ball valves are bidirectional.

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Re: BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/21/2010 11:08 PM

Many "standard" ball valves indeed have a cavity full of fluid. To avoid this, special valves are made with cavity fillers. Expensive and take more power to operate.

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Re: BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/21/2010 11:10 PM

In a perfect world, where you use a high quality ball valve, the seat is equal on both sides. If you don't believe me go to global spec and pose your question to a one of the valve manufactures listed there. However, if I had to choose (considering a less than perfect valve) the pressure on the high side would push the ball to the low side causing that side to seat better. If your planning on manufacturing a valve or need one for a specific purpose, test the valve assembly your planning on using. It should be rather easy to find out.

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Re: BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/22/2010 10:56 PM

Just wanted to Thank you Guys :) your help is Appreciated ..

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Re: BALL VALVE Sealing Seat Area for Floting Ball and Guided Ball.

02/24/2010 7:50 AM

I think you are thinking of double piston effect valves where the ball pressurises the downstream seat and the geometry of the upstream seal is such that pressure gets behind the seal to assist the springs in making a good upstream seal. Used a lot subsea to provide a double block without using too much space. There are a few papers pointing out potential problems but many oil and gas operators accept that both seals are effective.

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