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Miter Cut for Water Pipeline and Hoop Stress

02/23/2010 9:20 AM

Just one question !!!

i am working in water pipe line project ( 28" O.D - 0.5 mm thickness - 60 bar working pressure - API 5L X52 pipes),

and now we facing a problem! big problem!!

The ASME code B31.4 - 1998 (para 4062.2) state that if the hoop stress is more than 20% of the maximum yield strength the miter cut is prohibited, and in our case the hoop is stress is 39% of the maximun yield, so we preventing him from cuttin, but he gave us the AWWA M11 (chapter 9 - elbowes and miter cut) that state that till 5 degree u can do it by miter cut in one pipe or both without any problem, and there is a friend was working in shell till me miter cut is generally prohibited in pipe line it has to be bending.

so what is the right?

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Re: miter cut for pipe line and hoop stress

02/23/2010 10:20 AM

Simple. Follow the rules of the design/construction code in the agreed contract.

We can not answer this for you. Read the contract/purchase order to determine which to follow.

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Re: miter cut for pipe line and hoop stress

02/23/2010 11:06 AM

Recheck your dimensions and/or calculations. A 28-inch pipe of 0.5mm wall thickness can't handle anything like 60 bar....

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Re: miter cut for pipe line and hoop stress

02/23/2010 1:26 PM

It'd be easy to cut, but tough to weld.

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Re: miter cut for pipe line and hoop stress

02/23/2010 11:18 AM

it 0.5 in (12.7 mm)

sorry

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Re: miter cut for pipe line and hoop stress

02/25/2010 1:38 AM

A 28" pipe, constructed of general use pipe steel, with welded seam, loaded to 60 bar pressure, with an acceptable safety factor, should have wall thickness of appx 1 inch. This is a rough, on the fly approximation. A careful calculation is required.

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Re: Miter Cut for Water Pipeline and Hoop Stress

02/23/2010 11:15 PM

Do it right; buy enough 90 degree ells to cut segments for what you need. Use transition pups if the walls are too different.

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Re: Miter Cut for Water Pipeline and Hoop Stress

02/23/2010 11:42 PM

As stated by another poster, the applicable code is the one in your contract or as required by the Authority Having Jurisdiction.

That being said however, please note that AWWA codes apply to water pipelines, while ASME B31.4 applies to Pipeline Transportation Systems for Liquid Hydrocarbons and Other Liquids. The ASME code is more restrictive due to the nature of the fluids transported, and in this case would likely not apply (unless by contractual agreement).

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