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Nayadic System GFCI Requirements

03/11/2010 8:20 AM

We have a Nayadic unit in our septic system. Recently the motor failed and was replaced. As part of that replacement the dealer removed the GFCI from the power circuit. I was told that they were removing the GFCIs from all the Nayadic units as they GFCIs kept failing.

This sounds somewhat odd to me. If the GFCI isn't necessary, why was it installed wiht the unit? I don't think the unit is grounded locally but utilizes the house ground back at the main breaker box. Not sure that is a good plan without a GFCI.

I have tried to find any references to code or the Nayadic installation requirements using Google but have been unsuccessful.

Does anybody know about elecrical code (New York) or Nayadic installation requirements for this unit?

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Re: Nayadic System GFCI requirements

03/11/2010 9:09 AM

OEM. There is a need for the GFCI. Many rules stating this but just good safety is enough to justify the presence of the GFCI. Water, metal, wet locations, outdoors, and other assumptions in your scenario require a GFCI as good design. Dedicate a GFCI breaker in your service panel/load center to govern the unit. Motors and GFCI's can have some troubles. Get a quality GFCI breaker which is rated for motors. Consult a licensed electrician.

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03/12/2010 9:33 AM

Dabrain:

Sir:

Usually at least in my case the panel for the septic unit and the well for that matter is a long distance from the unit. Will a protracted distance have an effect on a GFCI such as making it trip because of power drop in a long line, thus making it necessary to put the GFCI in a sub pannel closer to the unit in question.

I have been scrattching my wooden noggin over this since a little kid several years ago got killed at a well head due to improper wiring. As far as I know I dont have a GFCI on either my well head or my septic system and get a little nervous enery time I get near this thing, although there would probably alot of little dead animals stacked up there if there were a problem.

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03/13/2010 7:30 PM

GFCI's only trip when the detect current. Resistance and VD can effect it but I doubt it. Put in a GFCI switch at the unit. It can be in a external box.

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Re: Nayadic System GFCI Requirements

03/12/2010 7:39 AM

First a GFCI doesn't fail. It trips when there is a possible shock hazard. If the GFCI fails, it means the GFCI unit is broken and will not trip when necessary. I know thats a little anal but it irritates me when someone who is supposed to be qualified (the dealer) fails to get his reasoning strait.

The NEC is quite clear about your Nayadic unit. It needs to be on a GFCI circuit. The reason the dealer does not want it on a GFCI circuit is he knows the unit might fault and therefore he would have to implement a warranty repair. He also knows it might not be his unit that is faulting and it might be what we call a nuisance trip.

My advice is to call the dealer and tell him you are going to contact your local inspector and have him inspect the installation and if he approves the installation he is ok. If he doesn't approve the installation without the GFCI, the dealer needs to come back and reinstall it free of charge. If he gives you any static about voiding warranty or not responsible. Tell him thats fine you will contact the manufacturer directly and report what one of there dealers is doing to help sell their product.

Inspectors are good people and they are public servants meaning your taxes are paying them to assist you in these matters. Sometimes we forget why we have these officials in place. They will help you resolve your problem don't be afraid to use them.

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