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Silver-Copper Electrode in Swimming Pool Application

03/14/2010 11:35 PM

Does any one know how to make a silver-copper electrode used in the prevention of algae and bacteria growth in swimming pool application?
What is the percetage of silver and copper? Is only silver and copper are used or some other metal also is used? If yes, what are the metals and its percantages?

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Re: SILVER -COPPER ELECTRODE APPLICATION IN SWIMMING POOL APLLICATION

03/15/2010 12:58 AM

Actually, you can use only silver or only copper even, because both metals have excellent bacteriocidal properties. You can simply hard solder or bolt the terminals together. You should have 2 sets of terminals: 1 for positive and 1 for negative. The unit itself is just a standard low voltage, low current electrolyzer unit.

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03/15/2010 4:18 AM

You will probably find you need to reverse polarity at regular intervals, and even if you do this you may get build up of deposits on the plates.
You will probably also need to monitor the current and regulate it in some way, to cope with changes in plate condition.
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03/15/2010 11:15 AM

Instead of fiddling around with making an electrode, why not just use plain old granulated copper sulfide to control algae in your pool? You can buy it at any pool supply store or supplier.

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03/16/2010 12:15 PM

That is a good idea but I think you mean copper sulfate. The copper portion of the electrode is meant to be sacrificial and thus copper enters the water. I am not sure of the advantage of the electrodes over just hand bombing the copper sulfate but my guess is the pool company makes more money with the electrodes. Or maybe it requires less hands on checking. The sacrificial electrode or copper electrode would have to be replaced at times (?) unknown. I do not know the ratio of metals needed.

I have used hydrogen peroxide as an fun experiment on a pool for a ten year period. The objective was to find a reasonable alternative to chlorine. Peroxide worked very effectively for controlling bacteria, algae, and to minimized vacuuming. Peroxide was synergistic with the sun (UV) to provide exceptional disinfection at the surface of the water. Vacuuming was minimized because the breakdown product of peroxide was oxygen and resulted in some oxygen bubbles attaching to debris that would then be skimmed out of the pool. The biggest disadvantage was ability to hold residual peroxide once the pool temperature exceeded 90 degrees F. The residual I tried to target was minimum of 20 ppm and max of 100 ppm as peroxide (there are good cheap test strips available). At or near 90 degrees, I would hand bomb peroxide to get a level of 100 and then check it daily till it reached 20 ppm and then add more. It would last anywhere from several days to 3 weeks. PH should be higher than using chlorine , >8 say. Filtration I used was DE or diatomaceous earth. If you use peroxide do not use metal ions like copper as they will destroy peroxide quickly. Oh by the way, you may have to like being blond. FYI

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Re: SILVER -COPPER ELECTRODE APPLICATION IN SWIMMING POOL APLLICATION

03/15/2010 11:16 AM

I have one of these in my 20,000 gal home pool;

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I don't know if they tell you exactly what the electrode is made of (they do mention copper, and the test kit that comes with it measures copper ions), but I can tell you it looks like it's mostly copper. The device seems to work pretty good at reducing the need for chlorine and aleagicide. There's a couple of articles on the site that mention the concentration of copper ions, that may help to answer your questions about percentages. They do sell the electrode separately, as this is the only consumable part of the unit. Hope that helps.

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03/16/2010 3:02 AM

As it is known that silver ions are very goodd to kill the algies and bacteria. It works just the same principles of electro plating. The only important point is to arrange the DC voltage and amperage such as not to give any depoıte instead give silver ions from a silver electrod to the flowing water between eletrods. However this only kils the algie and bacteria, do not aliminate them from the pool. For this reason there is still a need of using chlorine in the pool. Chlorine and bromine is still the only way to eliminate urea, algie and bacteria from the pool. My idea, is to use correct chlorination is the best way to prevent a pool also to eliminate any organic resudues from a pool but this should be the right way if not many complications would come out and we call chlorine responsible from them but in reality cholrine is not responsible, we are responsible.

I think electronical engineer friends can give more information about the DC current amperage that we need to give silver ions to the water rather than a silver deposite

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03/16/2010 5:54 AM

Other chemicals will also remove the 'dead' bacteria etc. Some products use copper ions to kill the bad stuff and another chemical sold as a 'regenerator' to provide the O2 to remove it.
Google Poolsan which is one such product
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Re: Silver-Copper Electrode in Swimming Pool Application

03/22/2010 11:37 PM

Thank you very much for all the answers my fellow friends have provided.

Like many of my fellow friends have said that cu-ag electrode will not eliminate the bacteria and algae from the pool and hence it is always recommended to use 5-9% of chlorine to remove the haziness as well as dead bacteria and algae.

It is easy to form copper electrode alone and silver electrode alone. But the trouble starts when you try to combine silver and copper together to make one single electrode.(Anybody expert in metal engineering will vouch for this) There is tremendous amount of exothermic reaction accompanied sometimes by explosion with very high production of heat. Does any one know where can I get these electrode manufactured or how to manufacture the same at home in a small scale project?

Please help.

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