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RC Structure Strength

03/23/2010 4:48 AM

I am a civil & structural engineer and have seen numerous bldg plans and read numerous books. Is it good to design a RC Structure based on the Strength of Materials and percentage of Steel reinforcement and concrete grade only ?

Most engineers design are alike, even though they used CAD and much bookish calculation. 5%-10% steel in RC Beams and 3%-6% in RC Columns to all Rigid Frame Structures. I wonder why waste precious time Merry-go-Round and Beat around the Bush when their Final Results are the same. Steel % and Concrete grade only.

I got intention to use this Formula for my Master's thesis soon. Is it good or not ?

Once I challenged a Professor on my Formula but he just he kept quiet while another retired Professor said that " C & S engineering are mostly guess-works "

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Re: Strenght of RC Structure

03/23/2010 8:08 AM

It is a silly idea.

In many cases, too much reinforcing is more dangerous than too little because any failure would be by the sudden failure of the concrete, not the slow failure of the steel.

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Re: RC Structure Strength

03/23/2010 10:56 PM

Hmmm...a curious post. Something's odd...

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Re: RC Structure Strength

03/24/2010 12:05 AM

You say you are a structural engineer but from your question it appears that you do not understand the basic principles of reinforced concrete design.

Would you care to rephrase your question so that we can give you a meaningful answer.

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Re: RC Structure Strength

03/24/2010 5:07 AM

I think what he meant is that in theory the steel content in RC Beams should not exceed 10% and steel content in RC column should not exceed 6%, particular in Rigid Frame Structure.

And all Building plans he encountered arrived at the same conclusion, despite many months of intensive calculation and re-calculation. That means after all the Merry-go-Rounds and Beating around the Bushes, the Structural Design arrived at the same spot.

Why not just simply use the 6% and 10% steel content formula in the first place and save all the time wasted in optional calculation, when you know the end-result is still the same.

I hope he knows where to place the Steel bars to cater for moments, torsion, bending, axial and eccentric loadings.

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Re: RC Structure Strength

03/24/2010 7:47 AM

He appear to be too engrossed in Value-engineering by trying to re-invent the Working Stress and Ultimate Load Method into the " all Roads lead to Rome Method " Another Idiot savant ?

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Re: RC Structure Strength

03/24/2010 11:48 AM

Many engineering "rule of thumb" are calculated form complex formula with a certain safety factor. Everyone then use the simplified results to speed up design. Engineer designing in CAD won't recalculate, they'll just follow the "rule of thumb".

For example strength of nuts and bolts. You can spend time calculating strength from material, size and pitch. Or just look it up in a table.

Engineer may recalculate everything if they need/want a tighter safety factor. Usually not a good thing.

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