Emmision Free Electrical Generation

Could you give us more information on what your actual development is (like a business plan style overview of the technology and benefits). Specific details you want to protect can be glossed over or left out entirely (if you want them protected), but more information IS required to give a clear overall view. I have had bad experiences (and I am sure others have had too) with free-energy backyard tinkerers and others that only have a 4th grade science education and know who Tesla was <sigh>. Emission-free generation using magnets makes me a little suspicious that the free-energy gremlin is trying to poke its head up yet again.

Oh, country information and your own credentials/experience would be very helpful too. Mine - NZCE, ESTCA, BENG (Hons), Years of experience in the power generation and distribution field, as well as 3 years at an electrical test lab. Full manufacturing facilities (CNC lathes, etc), accredited test lab department and R&D department (run by me) available if development looks promising.

Thanks.

"...developnent of an emmision free process for the generation of electrical power."

There are NO radioactive emissions from electrical power generation and/or transmission equipment.

Provided the equipment is properly shielded there will be NO electro-magnetic emissions from the generators or transformers.

Er, coal contains radioactive isotopes in small quantities. Coal dioxide and other things come out the chimney, so is that statement really true?

"Inventor has conceptual plans for the developnent ...."

Ok, so there is at present no invention, no working model, only a concept.

"Partnership required for the development and eventual production ..... "

Development and production are two entirely separate phases of going from concept to "product".

"... please provide technical background and facilities available for prototype development."

I don't see any information presented that supports the practicality of this "concept", which obviously requires someone else other than the "Inventor" to develop.

"Expertice in the manufacturing and development of Magnetic materials ...."

Oops! There's that "develop" word again, but this time for the very materials themselves to be used to develop the concept. So now we have a concept that involves materials that have yet to be developed, before it can be developed.

Now what would make me think that the term "Inventor" is a self applied description based on someone else taking his concept of a concept, and turning it into an actual invention?

I could be wrong, but this sounds too much like someone who has some concept that likely violates the laws of physics but sounds ever so attractive to the scientifically challenged.

Greg

Greg G, I am not the one that have postet the orginal post so you need to find the orginal poster and ask him/here what it means as I do not know, and what the orginal post says has none to do with me! So dont comfuse me into that orginal post of this!

Robert,

My post# 3 had nothing to do with you (that I am aware of) and was directed toward the original poster.

HOWEVER:

I am NOT confusing you with the original poster anyplace else, and everything I say to you or about EverWatt is based on YOUR postings here, the website, and YOUR original and subsequent posts on an earlier thread that YOU started on 8/23/2006:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/2263

Which read:

"Is it possible to cancel out Lenz's law? Is it possible do so mechanically? The question is a tricky one, yes? Lenz's law is only an old and bad invention that is a part of primitive mechanics, and not a law for the future mechanics.

So I guess you believe that I am drifting on to fantasy land? No! I am an inventor that very much rides on reality and on prototype facts. My prototype generator doesn't work off Lenz's law and therefore, the energy production of 1 TeraWatt costs only a power of 50 KiloWatt/36,5HP.

Do you think I could find Venture Capital support"

Then, in post#14 2/9/2007 on the same thread:

"..... but I am a good man with good thinking pattern's, even so I do not handle math so good as that is not my interests ....."

That you handle neither math nor physics is obvious, as you go on with your utter nonsense:

".... Wery recently I made a prototype that zero out the gravity of this planet. Or let me say it one an otter way, gravity doesn't interact any more on the prototype. There are no moving parts, yet my prototype is floating in my room."

So while my post# 3 in this current thread did have nothing to do with you as "rdavm", of all my (and other) negative posts here about your ideas did you go back and target that one so near the top of this thread, long before your first post here?

It couldn't possibly be to try and defuse the negative things on this thread about swindling people that search engines have now linked to EverWatt Generators, could it? And, perhaps the OP here is you, or a proxy after all, because it would seem to fit well.

"He doth protest too much"

Greg

Shed him Greg

Maybe he is from another dimension therefore gravity does not apply

maybe he should hop back in his spaceship and fly it up his ass
Love and kisses Trad

My guess it is a windmill

Wrong guess, but it has you thinking.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Your not going to make us guess are you. Fine. How about..... a new design of generator using specially shaped and placed magnets to help sustain rotational movement. Am I close?

What exactly do you mean by emission-free? No additional fuel or power source required (self sustaining operation)?, zero electromagnetic signature?, silent?

Still waiting for more information.

Good luck on your idea .I noticed you have yet to reply .I can accept your reluctance to divulge your plans but it's asking alot to just throw out your idea and exspect reasonable replys .As was pointed out some basic perameters would show a good faith effort on your part .I'm sure many a great idea has gone to the grave for lack of support , but also for an unwillingness for the inventor to risk exsposure .I have had some fantastic ideas myself only to quickly discover it had been or was on it's way to developement . It
may be better to find out ,than to waste your time, negative as that may sound it is a reality that many ideas are being worked on at the same time .Again I wish you the best of luck and would offer any help on a worthy idea as I'm sure others would .

Yeah you are right.

This sounds like the engine that Seaplaneguy wants to build, but even higher in the sky.

I've a master degree in mechanical engineering and have some good knowledge on thermal stuff. Feel free to contact me through the CR4 mailbox.

Many ideas die in the head of engineers, many of us discussing here have great ideas, only some have the possibilities to try them out.

If someone out there has to much money and wants to support some risk engineering.

Gwen

Thanks for a positive reply.

I agree with your comments and if I get a response from someone that has the background and knowledge that would best support this concept I will tell all and determine if the concept is worth pursuing.

I'm not sure if you would know if I was the appropriate person .I may be Bill Gates for all you know .It's a little too cat and mouse .Whatever you do best of luck .

I also have something to admit. My name is not really jack, but all the other information is correct. Oh, and the tank was only a loner. Or is it bwhahahahaha. (well yes it is ).

Hello "Guest" (so impersonal). Some measure of secrecy can be obtained by sending the relevant overview details of your design to specific people using the mailbox function of CR4 (which I will now demonstrate). Oh, you need to actually register to have this function, but that is easy enough.

There is a good institution DAVISON INVENTEGRATION that helps inventors.

USA phone: 1-800-54 ideas

also

www.davison54.com

A positive reply, thank you. I'll check out your suggestion.

From Davison/s website:

The total number of consumers who purchased a Pre-Inventegration™ Agreement or similar contract for research services is thirty seven thousand seven hundred thirty nine (37,739). The total number of consumers who signed a Contingency Agreement or other licensing representation agreement is thirty seven thousand seven hundred thirty nine (37,739). The total number of consumers who were offered a Product Sample Presentation Agreement (or any other contract for design services for a virtual or a product sample) is twenty seven thousand six hundred thirty (27,630). The number of consumers who signed a Product Sample Presentation Agreement or similar agreement is ten thousand six hundred forty six (10,646). The number of consumers who obtained a written license with a company that is not affiliated with Davison is two hundred seventeen (217). The total number of consumers in the last five years who made more money in royalties than they paid, in total, under any and all agreements with Davison, is eight (8). The percentage of Davison's income that came from royalties paid on licenses of consumers' products is .001%.

Upon close inspection the only products they seem to cater for are consumer toys. Perhaps this site is not an ideal conduit for a major breakthru in industrial power generation (unless you intend to see the finished generator lining store shelves in K-Mart). Still, its nice to know that there are sites out there like this, and the end result figures seem accurate based on what I would expect (although perhaps a little low based on the consumer toy market targeted, which should be easier. Perhaps many of the potential money-makers got patented.). I wonder how Davison make their money. As for the myth of selling your idea for money being extremely rare or unheard of (they mention on the site), that is just not true. We bought an idea (and associated prototype) and turned it into a fully commercial product. It didn't make any money, but that is a side issue.

Your comments and "Traditionals" are well taken. I have spend a lot of time & money on aquiring patents only to be disappointed in the production and marketing phase. Thats why I trying a different approach on this project. The comments received to date indicate that there are some excellent minds responding to my enquiry.

Ken thanks for those revealing statistics ,

There are more pitfalls to inventing than anyone could fairly assume ,

I hope to some day be a part of a fair and equitible product developement institution.I have suffered the frustration of holding ideas close to the vest for years.I personaly would rather take them with me than get ripped off.But I must admit some of my really good ideas were taken by others because I put it off so long someone else did it .
I saw a good friend spend all his money and his sanity to develope an insulation cutting devise that just was never going to be comercially viable .I have had an idea to form a corporation that would provide funding to inventors in return for a promise to repay if successful .Utopian yes but in fact a system for making business loans in 3rd world contries has been successfully done on simular lines . It's unfortunate greed and distrust have overtaken all facetts of any money making venture .I would hope some philanthropists would step forward but I'm afraid thats unlikely to happen .

Most inventions come about almost simultaneously in varied and sundry place as the result of a need for a better or easier way of doing something useful.

As far as I am concerned, and I am not alone, a Patent is nothing but a piece of paper that gives you the priviledge for a certain length of time to make of it what you will or can. Manufacture the product, sell or lease the patent to others, capitalize on it in some way or merely sit on it and congratulate yourself that you have a Patent.

The tragedy is the individual who wastes his savings to obtain a Patent for a device that he can not show to do what it is supposed to. PM, PU, or ZPE machines being notable examples of figments of the imagination that do or cannot perform. Utlimately he becomes embittered, broke, and lonely. So sad.

Sad (and humorous) are the cases I have seen of patents that are guaranteed to fail due to two fundamental problems

1) The device patented doesn't work.

2) The device patented doesn't work.

Now I know technically this is only one point but it was such a big one I felt that it needed to be mentioned twice. I am not talking about small faults either, I am talking about big things such as designing the circuit around only one of the battery leads, with no provision for the return lead back to the battery to create a circuit (yes I have come across a circuit like this patented).

At the very least, check the fundamentals by building a prototype or, alternatively, do what I did and ensure that the device actually works by designing, prototyping, testing, field-trialling a pre-production sample, THEN getting a patent before designing the final production version. Having some knowledge on the fundamentals of what you are working with, as well as what has already been tried and done is a must of course (I don't ever want to hear that "not knowing what cannot be done is an advantage" self-deluding crap). Additional phrases (or similar) I also never want to hear again are......

"My idea is an improvement on an idea already patented. The other idea is patented so I already know that it works of course"

"you put my idea down saying it cannot be done. Your just a puppet of the oil companies"

"My technical background of 1 year of high school science and access to the internet says your decades of experience (and degree) in the specific field I am talking about are wrong."

"If you say my over-unity device for producing infinite amounts of power, that I built in my backyard, cannot work, prove me wrong." <respond with quantities of scientific laws, electrical waves and fields theory, real world experiences, etc> "my device and $10 multimeter say your wrong, look I will send you a picture of the multimeter screen to prove it!"

"My proof is this website I found. On the website they prove it was done, the designer however has disappeared due to the oil companies buying him out or killing him"

The list goes on...... The disturbing thing is that people who make comments like these will get patents to try and protect such devices they have thought up. Now that is sad.

In the end patents are generally NOT the way to go anyway. They provide VERY limited protection and are almost guaranteed to lose you money. Additionally, when was the last time you heard of a small-scale inventor winning a patent battle against a major Chinese manufacturer with lots of funds for lawyers, that stole his/her idea and mass produced it for half the cost (worst case, but something to think about, after all its not like the patent police are going to come flying to your rescue. You will need to sort it out yourself).

One more thing - TEACH THE USE OF INTERNET SEARCH ENGINES IN SCHOOL! It is far more useful than French.

I hope the last line was a joke.

I would stop teaching physics, hoping that this would stop all those "inventors" of reinventing the perpetum mobile.

In Australia, there exists a kind of invention disclosure system, that does not work like a patent but you idea is protected against others (in case they want to patent it) If you really want to use your idea you can still file the patent.

Use this. (and try not to patent the wheel, it has been done before)

And after this step, please come back and we will evaluate your idea.

LOL. Not teaching physics wont help, at the very least you would also need to remove any mention of magnets too.

As to the comment regarding search engines and French, which has proved to be more useful in this day and age (especially in the engineering and science sectors, both mainstream and backyard). I know which one I use most (although I was speaking French yesterday I have to admit).

I'm fluent in 4 languages, at least spoken.

My own language is only spoken by approx 25M and foreign languages are fed while growing up. It is still one of the biggest advantages that we have here.

For non English natives it is still a foreign language and you would be surprised on the amount of people that really do not understand it (and France is doing a good job in this domain, while English and French are somehow related)

I was supposing physics as most of the students do not see the real thrill in it and are only bored with the knowledge. And someone who does not really understands it but still wants to use it is more a thread in physics than in French.

What school should try to learn is the will to use the things you learned.

Years ago I saw a series on TV on the Perpetum mobile, there were nice things in it and surprisingly the people that needed to explain could not always explain why it didn't works, then the second law came in and oops, solved. Thats what I call dangerous. People see a law as something that can be violated. If they catch you, you'll get punished, if they don't you win. A simple mechanical/mathematical funding on why it doesn't work can't be violated and they will simply stop this direction of trials.

The idea of an International fund that looks for nice ideas and supports them would really be great. But it needs to be really working and why not ran by the UN?

What I see in development are many nice idea's, thrown out in brain storms and as they would require some investments and time for development they are simply stopped. Lot's of nice idea's are also blocked by the inventor, who wants to gain real money out of it. Many of the idea's are OK but need more to be useful. Throwing out the idea in the wild could deliver that useful extra. that is the force of big companies like Philips and Sony: they have thousands of engineers, working on idea's and trying to combine their patents, if needed they go shopping with each other. The optical disk was a nice idea of Philips, Sony brought in the data encoding and AD/DA knowledge. The two combined gave us the CD. DVD is even a bigger group of companies, combing patents and stuffing them into one product.

Lonely inventors rarely make it, their idea is patented, not used for the time that the patent is protected and then picked up when it becomes free. The inventor has invested lot's of money in it (a patent is not for free) and will never see it back. That is why I suppose to throw the idea in the group, there might be coming nice extras that will make it work. It might be that some bigger company is reading with us and looking for this kind of stuff.

The only problem is honesty when you go shopping for you idea's.

An off topic post, so I'll keep it short. I'm going to magically deduce your four languages and (maybe) your order of proficiency: 1. Dutch/Flemish 2. English 3. French 4. German

There are loads of possibilities for being wrong here, so if I am right, I think you should send me a box of Leonidas.

I should have posted the link to the whole disclosure page. The reason the page is there is because Davison was sued by the FTC. The page starts with this:

In 1997, the Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, captioned F.T.C. v. Davison, 97-1278. As a result of the judge's decision in the case, the judge has ordered us to make the following disclosures to you regarding our track record over the last five years in successfully marketing our clients' products. You should read all of this information carefully before proceeding.

Here's the whole page:

http://www.davison54.com/disclosure.php

Sobering Statistics.

Some years ago I was involved with a group of inventors that tried to provide assistance and advice to individuals who thought they had good ideas but did not know the process of getting patents. Some interesting projects where reviewed but because of lack of funding, most items never went beyond the discussion stage.

With the world facing an enviromental disaster, it would be nice to have someone, anyone, develope a means of producing energy that has a lesser effect on global conditions.

My concept needs be scrutinized by someone with the proper engineering background to help determine its viablilty.

Just what background(s) are you looking for.

>>> My concept needs be scrutinized by someone with the proper engineering background to help determine its viablilty. <<< >>> Maybe you are talking to me then? I am having a doctor degree in Mechanical Engineering.

Perhaps you are, I'll check out your web site. Thanks for replying.

OK, I would like to have 10 kW generator (from you).

Questions are:

_ How much would be its cost ( in EUR or USD)

_ What type of energy you expect to turn your generator (free???? what????)

Nice web site but.. reminds me some US Religion Preachers: " we are close to end of our world" Maybe you're right.

Our prices are not yet ready. It will run on batteries or from your net. I am not religious, however I know a lot about Nuclear Power and the processes therein and yes we are wery close to damage this planet so much that it can't repair itself any more.

I'm interested in your business plan. How do you plan to avoid fraud prosecution in Norway? Is there a loophole in Norwegian law that would allow you to sell this outside of Norway, without being prosecuted for fraud within Norway?

You mention that it can run on batteries. You mention, on your website, that your generator is more than 100% efficient because of reductions in friction. As you may know, a generator with 0 (zero) mechanical friction is still not 100% efficient. If it were 100% efficient, then as load is applied, there would be no change whatsoever in the temperature of the generator: in other words, the windings would have to pass current but not become any warmer. There would be no need whatsoever for the vents shown in your prototype... or do they serve to keep the generator from freezing?

So, what you are proposing seems to be to increase energy consumption, as your generator would surely do (as opposed to simply taking the energy directly from the batteries). This increase in energy consumption would, in your view, somehow benefit the planet. How?

Am I right in assuming that your project will require a lot of investment over several years to make a production ready version? Is the plan to be just around the corner from production for a long time? How long? How many people have been swindled so far? When it comes time to defend yourself in court, how will you present that defense? Interesting project.

There are no swindled people and there will not be any kind of swindle or fraud. This is real and I do not tend to run my business the way you believe, I am serious about this and production is to start this year. I got so far 1.2M USD in to this project and 2M USD more will come in April and Production will start in end of this year. I am at this stage not interested to discuss how it works or share any drawings or blueprints with the world. The picture is not a real picture it is a rendered picture that is made and rendered with 3D Studio Max. It's only for put something on show and it is not even close to look as my prototype. The real prototype will never be shown on my page. However, the final commercial product will be on my webpage and uploaded in October. And when it comes to rules and LAW I follow the rules by the book and there will not be any need for go to any court whatsoever. The payment for our product will in the beginning not accept pre-payments due to the fact that people will believe that this are fraud so all orders will be custom sent from within that representative country as a package where u pay at the post office so there will not be any options to fool any people at all. You see it before you pay at the post office. Later there will be a EverWatt office in all countries on this planet, where you can go directly and buy one system and there you will be able to test it before you buy. You will not get electric free with this generator in the beginning as the battery system will not be made at first, but when it is made, the system within it-self will charge the batteries and the system will allow you to use the leftovers to your own home and this leftover will be what you have paid for. If you buy a 5KW generator, well that's what you get then. The leftover for charge the system will be an own calculation by electronics and the rest you can use always will be what you paid for. However this is not yet ready and it will not come for sale as fast as I would like The systems that will be delivered at the first production stage are the one that must use water power or an engine that is electric, gas or Diesel as the power. From my point of finished product, I will sale the one option where the generator are powered by an el-motor and therefore you will need to use your el-net to run the generator and that will cost you about 0.5 to 1 KW. But what is interesting here is the fact that it is the electric that are generated from the generator you will be using and from that generator you will be using as mach you want to use for same price as 0.5-1KW, with is what the motor that runs the generator are using to get the output you will have according to what KW range you ordered. My web page will be updated tomorrow if everything goes by plans.

Your reply here raises even more questions! If I only had one question to ask it would be this - From the facts page on your website you state the following:

"The logical here is simple; as the generator does not produce any mechanical load when there is wery mach electrical load, then you can run this generator with almost zero power and that means that you can produce large amount of electricity with almost zero horsepower's. So therefore the engine that runs the generator will not need to be bigger than one horsepower and that is careless to how big the generator is and in so way there will always be 20 to 200000 or more times more output than you put in and therefore you will have a system that runs by it-self." Efficiencys exceeding 2,000% to 20,000,000% from a motor driven genset????

You also state on your home page:

"We know that most people will take this as a joke or as well as impossible..."

Well yes, we do (both). If you are serious with these claims, how on earth did you perform the real-world tests to arrive at this, or is it all based on some form of theoretical maths only. I work in the power transmission and distribution field with strong links to the R&D fields and I have heard alot, but not even the psuedo-science free-energy generator designers claim efficiencies as great as these.

This NEEDS clarification. Please explain.

Hello! First of all there is not everything that is good on my site, not everything is yet finished edited. However most of the information will be there and some will be taken away. Some of my webpage will be edited by an electrical engineering friend of mine so there can be otter perspectives as well. When it comes to your wonderings: Testing shows that the generator does the opposite than the to days generators, my generators rpm goes up with 6 rpm when i put max load on the generator. The more electric I am using the less friction it seems to generate. How this is so, is yet not something I can tell you about as I do not have the answer yet to why it is so. When it comes to the how effective this is, it all comes down to one thing and that is size, if size is not an limit then yes you will be able to make generators of this art as effective as my claims tells you. Sure I would like to tell you all about how it is working and how, bla, bla... But I can't as that will simply make it harder to patent. But I can tell you that I use patents within the system that are patented for over 30+ years ago. This will not affect my options to get patent. Clarification: The generators size represent the effectively, the larger the size, the larger the effectively will be, the size output of the generator does not affect the resistance to turn it around to mach, the only thing here that will effect resistance here continuous with size are that the fact is that the larger the bearings are the more friction it produces, however that is all there is in this system when it comes to friction. Let me put it easy here; the only friction there is in this system comes from the bearings and some airflow friction are also present. So when you really talking big size generators you need to calculate bearing friction as well as airflow and that's all there is to it. There are no otter frictions to take into the calculation whatsoever. A large generator system delivery will typically be a system with many generators on same axle built within a tube that makes it look like it is one unit. The more generators I put on same axle the more output I get as the only added friction here are only about the extra added bearings that follows with long distance axles. There are other options also, and that is to make it big in diameter. It all will depend on what customers needs are. I do not believe that the weight or the size here will matter to mach when it comes to a generator like that one I got prototype on. However if you… well, let's say that u order a 100KW generator! OK! Here are the facts about that: The generator will have a weight of 130 kilo and a diameter of 400MM and a length of axle 500MM. If you will have further info call me on my mobile as it is easier by phone or as well SKYPE me www.skype.com! PEOPLE ARE NOT READY TO ACCECT THE UNACCEPTABLE.

Dear Mr Myrland:

1. We have been unable to produce any reference to a doctoral thesis under your name. What was its title and year of publication?

2. You state that your website illustration was created with 3D Studio. Our experts have been unable to verify that. They claim your "rendering" is really a photograph, containing certain bit patterns that 3D Studio cannot produce. The illustration we checked is in the upper left corner of the home page of the website, www.everwatt.com. Has there been some misunderstanding?

3. We'd like to contact principals in your US operation. Please provide contact names and daytime phone numbers.

4. You claim to have secured 3.2 M USD in funding. Has any of this funding come from US citizens? If so, what steps did you take to ensure that you have not violated "blue sky" laws? Please indicate primary residence state of any investors who have provided more than $25,000 USD in funding.

5. For our records, is it correct that you have claimed, in a thread entitled "How to Cancel Out Lenz's Law" (started 8/23/2006) on the CR4.globalspec.com website, that your "generator" will produce an output of 5.4 kilowatts from an input of 233 watts?

6. Did these figures quoted in question 5 (above), appear in any term sheets, requests for funds, or another other data, communications (verbal or otherwise), or information sheets used to obtain funding from any US citizen?

7. In your earlier thread, you stated "Do you think I could find Venture Capital support?" Such wording would appear to qualifiy as a "solicitation". (See case law.) Was it your intent to solicit funds with that statement?

Please keep the length of each answer to no more than 2 lines. Number each answer to match the related question number.

We appreciate your cooperation in this matter.

K. Fry

Please put this case reference number at the top of your reply: 34-7866-14no

(1. Did you look in US only? I am not obligated to give you what you are asking for. If you do not know or do not find information about me, well that is your problem. ** (2. I assume that my friend that is good in 3ds used it and why do I need to care, I got what I asked for, no questions asked. ** (3. US operation? Ohhh! I do not live in US and I newer been there! Its long way from here to the US and my best guess is about 14 hours with plane. ** (4. The funding comes from Africa, where I am bourn. The board of directors decided to invest in my project 3.5-4 years ago, in the mean time when I have been waiting for their final decision, I have been looking for other options for make sure that I grant myself more secure investment contacts. However that has not happened yet, so I will stick to the African Investors as long as I do not have any other options. I have daily communication with the investors from Africa and they call me once or more every day. ** (5. I made many prototypes in the beginning and yes one of em did have that output with that input. In newer times I made a smaller prototype that is the smallest I ever made with puts out about the same as the one you're talking about. It's about 1/5 smaller in difference of size and this time the only friction by measurements we can find are bearing friction.** (6. There has not been any communication or any funding from any US citizen whatsoever on this matter. ** (7. I do not live in the US so I would not know about your Law systems, I newer been in the US. The statement you are pointing to are me wondering about how interesting otter investors would be. ************************* (666. HA keep me free of duties regarding limits to my way of express myself. *******************

Are your investors Nigerian?

Did you see their money or do they need some to get their to you?

Just a few questions on your prototypes:

How do you measure the output and input?

Real explications on the measurement techniques please,

* did you use torque measurement + RPM as input power?

how do you generate your output power? (resistor bank,....)

1. Let's see what the final commercial product will be instead of asking now. You will see that if you really care to know, you may find it interesting to know that our products will hit the marked soon and then you can get to know what you want. 2. I am born in Cape Town and there under I only deal with people and friends from Cape Town. 3. I do have a lot of friends that is electrical engineers and mechanical engineers! My surroundings are only engineers; I can't coop to be with people that are not. So yes I would say that you don't need to question my measurements, as well as my friends help and measurements into this matter. Thanks anyways for bringing this up in a good manner.

Rdavm in post #26 you claimed

"I am having a doctor degree in Mechanical Engineering."

Then in post #44 you state

"My surroundings are only engineers; I can't coop to be with people that are not. So yes I would say that you don't need to question my measurements, as well as my friends help and measurements into this matter."

You seem not to understand that reviewing you techniques by peers is part of the authentication of any claims. You are asking us to accept your claims as being true with no detail on how the figures you are claiming were derived. This is not a disclosure of your technology but rather the showing of your calculations so people can see there is no fundamental error in your calculations. Even for simple things here at CR-4 I try to include as much detail for others to peruse so that the logic behind any claim is clear and free of error.

The detailed examination of the methodology and calculations for the energy input and output is a critical stage of the verification of any claim. You seem to insist on skipping this vital step and unless you reconsider and show the details I think you will find it difficult to be taken seriously.

Excuse me for being sceptic (I've been going to school way to long)

But as we say in dutch: "Meten is weten"

Translated: (you being Norwegian/South African is will be not so difficult) the only way to knowledge and understanding is to measure.

Some years ago there was the big thrill of the cold fusion, it lasted until they really explained how they did their measurements and how they came to the conclusion that they have had a fusion reaction. Someone could redo the experiment, have the same results but in contrary could explain in another way what really happened and how to read out the results.

I admit that there must be a way to avoid other losses than friction in the bearing.

Running a generator assembly in vacuum, using non ferritic materials and superconducting coil conductors will do the thing. But even then it is still impossible that you get more output than what you offered on the shaft.

Such a generator would have a very bad volume to power ratio. (which is why the normal generators and motors are made from ferromagnetic metals, the difference is huge)

If your generator is really so good, I'm interested to build it in a unit myself. (I would be pleased in a 99% efficacy over the whole range)

Some reason for my doubt: you state that your RPM went up when you asked for more power: this sounds like you driving the generator by an asyncrone AC motor, where the power delivery can be read out on the RPM but then inverse (the higher the difference between the field/stator RPM and the rotor RPM the higher the delivered power) The absolute current that is dragged is not really changing, the phaze is changing.

From additional comments by others I have now re-reviewed your website. THE CLAIMS ARE NOW COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in many cases!!! This is not due to just a rewrite to fix some English language issues. You CANNOT possibly start changing the fundamentals of your results and end product in this way and still expect people to believe your claims and research. I was willing to ignore all the other small details (and warning signs) that others have mentioned (I am sure I have seen that photo on your site somewhere on someone else's magnetic free-energy generator site).

Now from your "about us" page......

"Our Generators does not make your electric bill go down to absolutely zero but it will help you to reduce your electric bill dramatically. EverWatt Generators will let you the user, depending on the size of the generator, use 15KW/h or more for same price as close to 1KW/h." This is still a 1500% efficient gen-set.

When it all comes down to it, you are saying you have done something that no-one else has EVER successfully done - produce a free energy generator. THIS IS NOT SOME SMALL FEAT! This would make nuclear fusion and hydrogen power look like a joke! and based on your previous comments on your site could reduce the number of power stations worldwide by more than 99%. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS AND THEY ARE NOT SMALL!!! Your invention would, quite literally, change the world.

Fantastic claims call for fantastic evidence, and until I see it I am relegating this website to the scam pile (based on your above comments it is unlikely that all the electrical engineers who reviewed your ground breaking invention are incompetent, which would indicate that the research was flawed). I don't care your from Africa. I don't care your comments on nuclear power are flawed. I don't care you had a link on your site to UFOs. I wouldn't care if your engineer friends were responsible for the Nigerian money scams! I care about the research, the facts and the proof. Where are yours.

I was about to say that we havn't seen any energy from nothing or perpetual motion machines for a while but I can see I spoke too soon.

The sight is completely devoid of detail with the exception of the US$20,000 they want from you. I don't know about US laws but something like this in Australia would get you free accommodation at the governors pleasure for at least 10 years.

Ho hum, I guess an engineering site like this is bound to attract the occasional impossible claim of energy from nothing.

rdavm, aka: Prof. Robert Dave Myrland, PhD, Mechanical Engineering

What an incredible crock of nonsense your website is!

Chock full of pseudo-scientific babble, and "the end is near" talk.

Equating Lenz's law with friction? It has nothing to do with friction any more than you know anything about physics or engineering.

Mysterious (un-named "smaller than an electron" negatively charged) particles that are killing all life on the planet.

What is the connection between EverWatt Generators Inc, in California, and EverWatt Generators Ltd in Norway?

Just who is Charly De Koning?

"I am having a doctor degree in Mechanical Engineering."

I seem to remember an advertisement for a school on a book of matches: "If you remembered to close cover before striking, an exciting career as a Doctor of Mechanical Engineering awaits you!"

A previous thread of his:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/2263

Greg

<What an incredible crock of nonsense your website is!> Your oppinion! So I let it be yours without geting into any discusion about it. You are able to deside for your self whatever you like and that is fine by me. I am aware of the fact that I have not writed all right on the page. I am editing my page as I find bugs and that I do find every day. Look! I am not that good in english and I probaly should take an english class to better my self. My site may be full of chit as you say... However my intensions comes down to one subject only and that is about polution and therefore I will start produce an generator that can solve the energy problems here in Norway as the first priority, then the rest of the world can follow.

Dear Mr. Myrland, Ph.D.

My name is Charly De Koning, former CEO of Everwatt Systems, Inc. of Sunnyvale, Ca. I'm not sure who or what is being discussed here, but "Everwatt" was created by myself and others in an effort to rebrand 'Warsitz Enterprises, Inc.' of San Jose, CA, an solar-hydrogen fuel cell R&D, manufacture established in the 1990's. Everwatt Systems, Inc., formerly Warsitz Enterprises, Inc. had developed and sold thousands of solar-hydrogen fuel cell demonstration kits around the world. Additionally, development efforts produced models from hundred watts to 3KW units, available to R&D labs, government agencies, industry and schools until we shutdown the operation in 2002.

Please be aware that this operation is not affiliated in anyway with the original Everwatt Systems, Inc., formerly Warsitz Enterprises, Inc.

The URL www.everwatt.com was originally aquired by an operation out of Australia after Everwatt Systems, Inc. shut it's doors.

Additionally, I personally AM NOT and have never been affiliated with "EverWatt Generators Inc".

I find it strange that a company name that was created by myself seems to be used by some one that has the same name as myself.

Regards,

Charly De Koning

former CEO of Everwatt Systems, Inc./COO of Warsitz Enterprises, Inc.

Dear Mr De Koning:

Thanks for your post. Mr Myrland is the registered owner of Everwatt.com. Mr Myrland's "handle" on the CR4 site has been rdavm. In his profile he says this:

The future of electrical power generation is now here. Our free private power plants for home usage is now a reality and you can now buy our own system for make free electrical power at your own home. This are considered impossible by the science people, and yes it is if you take a look at the old systems. Not everything is yet invented and science does not have all the facts. However, now it is possible to produce electrical power for free and this is due to a new revolutionary Generator Design that does not produce mechanical load or friction when the Generator is electrically under heavy load.

Whatever your background, I think you will realize that this claim is outlandish. Any device that produces energy for free ("does not produce mechanical load") need only be driven by a motor powered from that free energy, and you have a perpetual motion machine – chain a few together, and you can rule the world.

In his first post on the CR4 site (How to Cancel Out Lenz's Law?) Mr Myrland writes this:

So I guess you believe that I am drifting on to fantasy land? No! I am an inventor that very much rides on reality and on prototype facts. My prototype generator doesn't work off Lenz's law and therefore, the energy production of 1 TeraWatt costs only a power of 50 KiloWatt/36,5HP.

Do you think I could find Venture Capital support?

So, in this post, Mr Myrland is claiming to provide a very large portion of the world's energy needs from something that can be powered by a small motorcycle engine. He is seeking funding. That combination can be reasonably viewed as fraudulent.

Unfortunately, your name has become associated with Mr Myrland's schemes, because you show up in connection with Everwatt.com on the following site:

http://www.cleanenergy.de/name_e.html

Their listing for your old company is here:

EverWatt Systems, Inc.

Sphere of activity: Photovoltaic, Hydro power, Solar thermal, Wind, Hydrogen Fuel Cell Business type: Manufacturer, retail sales, wholesale supplier, exporter, im Products: Fuel cell systems and components, sustainable energy systems Address: 370 Altair Way, Mail Stop #316, Sunnyvale, California 94086, USA Telephone: +1 408 730-0786 Fax: +1 408 779-2478 E-mail: cdekoning@everwatt.com, cdekoning@bigfoot.com Internet: http://www.everwatt.com Contact person: Charly De Koning

As you can see, if you click on the "Internet:" link, you end up at Mr Myrland's site. I'd suggest contacting cleanenergy to have your listing removed.

Ken,

Well done!

Mr. Charly De Koning's post and yours explains how his name got mixed up with our friend Bob's scam.

Regards, Greg

Charly,

Please accept my apologies for any confusion I may have added to this mixup.

The URL change (which I was of course unaware of) and old links tied your name to the current site.

Regards, Greg

We would all appreciate seeing a VIABLE Perpetual Motion Machine being demonstrated. But, no one from EverWatt Systems has ever advocated development of such a device. We were focused on demonstrating the viability of Zero Emission Solutions i.e. solar, hydrogen generation, PEM fuel cells, wind power and low-impact hydroelectric power generation, or the combination of these technologies.

You will find both EverWatt Systems, Inc. and Warsitz Enterprises, Inc. are listed in countless industry directories, including the Smithsonian. Depending on the country's search engine used, you can still find white papers and discussions relating above topics. It was unfortunate that the current administration decided to slash the development of these alternative solutions and redirected the bulk of the remaining resources toward hydrocarbon technologies, such as coal-gasification, oil production, etc.

Once again, although "EverWatt Generators Ltd. & Co" of Norway seems to be conducting business as "EverWatt Generators Inc" and has acquired Everwatt Systems' URL, there is no relationship in anyway with either "Everwatt Systems, Inc." of Sunnyvale, Ca. USA or "Warsitz Enterprises, Inc." of San Jose, Ca. USA..

I do appreciate you clarification and comments.

Best Regards,

Charly De Koning

Former CEO of Everwatt Systems, Inc./COO of Warsitz Enterprises, Inc.

"There is a good institution DAVISON INVENTEGRATION that helps inventors.

USA phone: 1-800-54 ideas also www.davison54.com"

Not for real or what? Can they do this? The statement I found in one Alternative Science Group:

"if you disclose an invention to the public which the government would have
chosen to declare national security sensitive (meaning an energy-related
invention) the patent office can deny the patent."

Check out Davison's site. At the bottom of the home page is a link to a "Court Ordered Disclosure Statement". Click on that link and read the statement. Note that .001% of Davison's income is from royalties. That's $1 for every $100,000 that comes in the door. Then check the details on the products shown on the site. Virtually all state that the product is a "corporate product owned and licensed by Davison". So even on their own products, they are making essentially nothing at all, especially in comparison to the millions they are making by charging inventors fees.

Notice that the total number of people who purchased services was 37,739. Notice that the total number of people who made more than the cost of these services was 8. That means that 37,731 out of 37,739 LOST money in dealing with Davison. Does that sound like they are helping inventors?

See also: http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/5279/Inventors-Beware

Re national security sensitive: there are thousands of energy related patents. The government can deny a patent on something like a new type of bomb, or a device to make bombs undetectible in airports, where publicly disclosing the means for making it would constitute a serious security risk.

Ho did write the main topic? Are you talking about me?

Hello, got your e-mail, read thru your site, but couldn't find any real information regarding the electrical details of your new generator (or even electrical specifications). It looks very, very similar to the free-energy generators I have seen (which has me very concerned as none of the others ever worked even remotely efficiently as a motor, let alone a generator ).

Could you provide us (or just me if you like) actual operation details and a data sheet on technical specifications (efficiency, etc) and how you came about getting the fantastic results you are claiming. Also, how long does your generator continue to run under load before it stops (battery fully drained), and what is the overall system efficiency when you also take into account the battery and charger circuit dran. All I see at the moment is a battery powered motor load, not a free-energy over unity generator. Remember, extraordinary claims call for extraordinary proof, and your stated generator efficiency of 2000% to 20,000,000% certainly qualifies for that. I seriously believe you have made some fundamental errors in your product testing and evaluating stage. Perhaps we should talk before you try and go into production (and lose the shirt of your back).

Thanks.

Jack - A sceptical but open-minded electrical power and distribution engineer.

Has anybody read the information on the Everwatt Generators web site titled Nuclear Energy and the PLANET EARTH? (http://www.everwatt.com/nuclear_power.html - sorry, link no longer available)

I was initially going to give the people behind this site the benefit of the doubt but when I see statements like

"Few people have considered that perhaps the splitting of atoms in and of itself is anti-nature."

I become extremely concerned. Nuclear fission is a completely natural process that happens to unstable nuclei and will happen regardless of the existence of nuclear fission reactors. A nuclear fission reactor is just a concentration and accelerated form of a natural process. Then there is the statement

"Physics textbooks erroneously declare our sun to be, in effect, a nuclear reactor. It is not."

My immediate response is "pardon me". I need to go back and check this one several times as I thought I had misunderstood. If it isn't a nuclear fusion process then what is it, a lump of coat or something?

It then goes on to imply that the Earth's rotation will speed up and we will move into a higher energy orbit. All this without any explanation of where the energy that would power this process is coming.

This site seems to be suggesting that all the physics and science that has been used to build the billions of pieces of working technology is fundamentally flawed. This is extremely worrying as I must have been hallucinating for many years, I could have sworn that those aeroplanes were real All this without any explanation of a subsequent theory or disclosure of the physics behind the claim.

Sounds like a return to a belief system based on blind faith to me and the comment that springs to mind is

Total procreating male bovine excrement!

Hi Masu,

I read that nuclear energy page originally which is what was in large part responsible for my somewhat strident tone in post# 35, and the reference to the mysterious (unknown to science)negatively charged particles that will doom life on earth. None of it makes any sense at all. The only frightening thing is that there is a segment of the public that will believe this kind of mumbo-jumbo. Otherwise its some very funny reading.

He sounds like an ordained minister in "Our Lady of the Kool-Aid" church.

I'm still trying to figure out how we can "decontaminate" the earth from particles that are undetectable .... but maybe that would giveaway his next invention: A "Save-The-Planet" electrostatic vacuum cleaner that you never have to empty, or even plug in.

It was all so far out, I couldn't even begin going through the time to rebut it, and all from a man who claims to have a doctorate in mechanical engineering. It perfectly places his "generator" in the proper perspective.

Greg

Hi Greg,

"It was all so far out, I couldn't even begin going through the time to rebut it, and all from a man who claims to have a doctorate in mechanical engineering. It perfectly places his "generator" in the proper perspective."

I would have thought somebody with a doctorate would have understood the importance of the peer review process.

I haven't seen a response from rdavm to my comment in post #42 yet so he is either treating it with contempt or lost it's meaning in the translation.

Hi Masu,

It has ALL the earmarks of a scam: The outlandish claims cloaked in pseudo-science, the not wanting/needing any money up front, yet:

"... all orders will be custom sent from within that representative country as a package where u pay at the post office so there will not be any options to fool any people at all. You see it before you pay at the post office."

How does that work exactly? You see what? A sealed package, or a closed box?

The elusive delivery of the initial promise, somehow, just one more step away:

"You will not get electric free with this generator in the beginning as the battery system will not be made at first ....."

"The systems that will be delivered at the first production stage are the one that must use water power or an engine that is electric, gas or Diesel as the power."

It all follows the classic pattern.

Plus he responded that he was never in the US, and while I can't doubt that, EverWatt Systems, in Sunnyvale CA, with Charly DeKoning was suddenly (today) removed from the EverWatt.com site. Check this link, scroll down to EverWatt Systems, Inc, and click on Everwatt.com: Presto you are at the EverWatt Generators Ltd site:

http://www.cleanenergy.de/name_e.html

Also it appears the claims were toned down to merely reducing an electric bill, not providing free energy. Quoted from the site:

"Our Generators does not make your electric bill go down to absolutely zero but it will help you to reduce your electric bill dramatically. EverWatt Generators will let you the user, depending on the size of the generator, use 15KW/h or more for same price as close to 1KW/h."

No more references on the site to boundless free energy!

Greg

Hi Greg,

Did you notice the link to the UFOs are real because a mate of mine spoke with a guy who knew a bloke that worked for a company that got the technology I know nothing about from a UFO, site on the Everwatt home page?

Hi Masu,

Thanks for the info: I didn't realize the Disclosure Project was a link.

It supplies the missing ingredient, the one I wondered why it was not used in the "description/explanation" of the EverWatt breakthrough technology: Suppression by vested interests and the deep, dark conspiracy to keep us slaves to the industrial complex.

Unfortunately, these kinds of organizations tarnish the legitimate UFO investigative and reporting groups by their outlandish unsupportable claims and incorporation of "related" bad science.

Greg

I am new to this group but recognize some of the commentators and have followed many insightful conversations. My question to the apparently rational members of this assembly is.............does this happen often? I have followed the thread and visited the Everwatt Generator web site.It is is an Orwellian snale oil merchants den. My parents without benefit of higher education taught me early that "if it looks too good to be true than your right". Parts of this thread read like science fiction.

In reply.......Yes this happens often (I can recall about 3 or 4 projects like this last year alone). The site, its marketing team and its claims are, shall we say, a little ahead of themselves. Yes it is too good to be true (refer to the previous comment). As to the science fiction element, many developments have deep-seated roots in science fiction (look at 2001: A space odyssey, star trek, etc), although forward thinking without proper research, development, lab work and implementation only leaves luck for success, and even then, if it cannot be done, it cannot be done.

Pepper,

your parents taught you well.

Most of us keep a very open mind here, yet our framework is what real science is in the here and now, not fantasies. We are aware that as knowledge increases, so too does science, even to the point of contradicting earlier beliefs or "laws". But these contradictions, or extensions/elaborations are the result of methodologies that allow for replication/duplication of the experimental results when claims are put forth that challenge the previous theories or "laws".

Then, there is the "gut feelings", when something is claimed that is revolutionary without any proof being offered, let alone when investors or "customers" are involved. These free energy /perpetual motion schemes go way back because they appeal to the basic human desire "to beat the system" or "get something for nothing". EverWatt is a classic case of a con job.

These types of things re-appear on a regular basis so you could say they happen often even though they are a small percentage of the posts.

Greg

Pepper:

Yes, this has been quite a thread! Fortunately, we are not swamped with such obvious fraud (which in the Everwatt case might have, at first, appeared to be just complete and total misunderstanding of physics combined with an inability to construct a valid test -- but as you'll see below, the intent is obviously fraud.)

It's unusual to have one thread dealing with two types of fraud: 1. Inventor as defrauder, 2. Inventor as victim. Frauds of the first type have been around for hundreds of years, and there is no end in sight. Those of the second type seem to have become more sophisticated in the last 50 years or so. The Davison folks are operating under the constraints of a FTC suit, but continue to go along as if nothing has happened: even with the court ordered warning on their site, they've taken in 37,000 people in just the last 5 years. I think it was almost 30 years ago that the FTC had a special operation aimed at clamping down on invention marketing companies that operate like Davison -- but it is apparently very hard to put these places out of business. The same goes for places like Everwatt or Steorn, or befreetech, who draw out the development phase, pulling in money along the way. (Dennis Lee the befreetech guy has been defrauding people for decades.)

This pic is from the befreetech site, showing Lee and his "motor/generator" -- if you look at the motor/generator you'll see that the picture is exactly the same as the one our own friendly fraudster from Everwatt claimed to have created using 3DStudio!!

So, CR4 does not get a lot of such obviously fraudulent posts as those by "Dr." Myrland. We get a small number of vaguely similar posts by people who have "discovered" free energy/over unity/perpetual motion machines. There is no way of knowing for sure, but I'd guess 50% of these are well-intentioned but woefully uninformed. The Everwatt deal is not well-intentioned, however. It is vaguely comical, however, that the fraudulently presented picture on the Everwatt site was taken from another site that is itself a fraud!! Will it never end?

Yes, it is truly science fiction.

Ah HA, I knew I had seen that generator before on another site.

Ken,

Great post!

I thought that contraption looked vaguely familiar. While I never saw it before on the befreetech site, it reinforces my belief I saw it somewhere else a few years back.

The Charly DeKoning name that was on the EverWatt site until a few days ago also had a familiar ring to it, (Regarding fraudulent schemes) but I can't be absolutely certain.

Greg

I have been looking at some of rdavm's posts and all of them seem to be along the line of pushing this dubious science.

Statements like these that rdavm has made in other threads

Nuclear fission and fusion as employed today for energy production and military uses are killing this planet, and no one in the scientific community has any idea why it's dying or how to save it.

Also note that Nuclear Energy (Nuclear Power production) is not that harmful that you may think. Splitting of an atom is anti-nature, remember that!

lead me to believe that he doesn't understand even the most basic concepts of nuclear physics.

If rdavm is still out there I would like you to answer a few questions that could, to a minor extent, redeem you.

What do you mean by the statement "Splitting of an atom is anti-nature"? If that is the case what do you call the natural decay of ¹⁴C (carbon 14)?

What is the difference between nuclear fission and fusion?

If nuclear fusion isn't the process that is powering the Sun then what is?

I get the impression that you don't even have even the most rudimentary understanding of the fundamental laws of physics. I could be wrong, I have been in the past, but a lack of response to these questions will leave me no alternative but to assume that my impression is in fact correct.

You can assume anything you want; however Stanton T. Friedman did state that it is an interesting theory. He did not react to it the way some here has reacted to it. He did state that it is possible rather than dismiss it as you all here have done. I do not have the time to write more at this stage and you are free to assume whatever you like but I am traveling outside Europe now for meet with Electrical Engineers and Mechanical engineers for start planning production. Plane goes in one hour so I better hurry. At least I got time to write little here before I go. Maybe I will write back here later, but as far as my concern to redeem I do not care about that at all. If you would like to say that my theory is not correct then it's up to you, and I would not care more or less about whatever you're saying. It's a human right to have own theories and no one theory is better than no one else until it can be proven otter vice! Anyway wish me luck on starting production of the generator. Friends!!! Take care; I will be missing your heavy statements and I know you're love mine, at least to a degree of make fun of em! No offence taken! :):)

I am not quite sure how to feel . I can only do so much to help someone. I have been talking with rdavm privately regarding his research and the actual lab results he obtained (the incomplete results and conclusions are...disturbing to say the least, given the fact that it is actually incredibly easy to prove or disprove the results). If this isn't a scam it is absolutely amazing that rdavm has got this far with minimal electrical scientific background and knowledge, incomplete and incorrectly performed lab work and flawed electrical engineering inspection. Sure, to a certain extent it worked for Tesla and the electric motor, but this is more of the "Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy" accidental invention of the infinite improbability generator! Perhaps there is a future for you in marketing.

Keep in touch rdavm, I want to know how that retesting I suggested goes. And don't forget to get that oscilloscope and an electrical qualified friend to assist you! Remember, if you cannot prove to yourself how and why it works you will not be able to prove it to anyone else (certainly no electrical engineer here or anywhere else!)

With regard to proving theorys (especially free-energy ones that break numerous electrical, physical and scientific laws), it is up to YOU to prove it. Anyone else can just point you back to these laws which are well established, proven by numerous other laws and actual practice, and all saying your theory is wrong. But enough of that, you would already know this to be the case based on your qualification.

Oh and rdavm, a little advice for you. If this is a scam just remember, not all of those stories we all hear about regarding supposed fantastic new free-energy and water electrolysis devices made by inventors before they disappeared with all the investors cash (either bought out or killed by oil companies) are false. Scamers DO get killed over these things (and rightly so), and far more regularly than anyone here may realise. This is no joke.

Stay intouch.

"It's a human right to have own theories and no one theory is better than no one else until it can be proven otter vice!"

A theory is a scientifically based model that explains a given set of observed events, not just something a person believes. You can believe in anything you like but you do not and never will have the right to call a belief a theory. They are two completely different things and the terms are not interchangeable.

You believe your system produces more energy than it consumes and that is all it is a belief. I have not seen even a modicum of a theory that explains how this gain of energy is achieved.

Look at it from our point of view. You are asking us to blindly believe in you without the slightest explanation of the physics that is behind the system On top of this, you are stating that the well tested physical laws we have used all our lives, to explain and build a multitude of items, are wrong and that we all have no idea what we have been doing all our lives.

Would you believe yourself given the facts so far?

After some more emails to rdavm regarding questions on why Dennis Lee featured so prominently in the photo (well it wasn't an Autocad drawing, but I didn't mention that) of his generator he has removed the photo from the site. First prize to whoever can be bothered to track down where this picture came from (and it actually looks like a cad drawing this time).

I don't quite understand how someone expects to get something like this over a professional engineer.

Maybe the last question:

Are any law / regulation /ethics rules in Norway to punish (and forbid to use the title without demonstrated knowledge) somebody who claims to be / have a doctorate in an engineering field?

Hi all! I am new to this forum! To introduce myself; I am crazy in love with engines... I am trying to make a living on Invent new engine technology and more or less the last 3-4 years I done okay by selling ideas to different engine producers. Maybe I can use this forum as a place where I can find Byers! I hope so...

I read this posts from the beginning to the end and wow I must say that here it is really going on!!! I do not know to mach about electrical engineering; however I been working with engines all my life and repairing generators in big machines like Caterpillar and otters.

Maybe the future will be full of incredible stuff that is not possible to day? I don't know, but I know this, no one did believe it was possible to invent an engine that does not have turbo or mechanical compressor and yet it has 2 bars overload from start. I am just pointing to my experience with my field as an engine inventor and time by time people like to think that it is not possible as it was a standard routine of thinking. I done engines all my life and sometimes it turns out that the impossible is just yesterdays not knowing what is the day after tomorrow.[P]

Anyways that may be not the same with electrical things and I would not know...

Seems like a forum I will enjoy!

Why the change in persona, Mr. Myrland?

Ken,

The spelling and grammar seem to match for sure ... and, I notice the otters again .... amazing critters, those.

Engine Inventor says:

"I am crazy in love with engines..."

Would that be "motophilia", or "enginiality"?

"My garden would been only engines and my money would been sparkplugs!!"

Or, perhaps some form of "Eurolagnia"?

I think what he means is he views his engines as a garden in which to raise his sustenance, and Euros from the bilked will be the sparkplugs.

"I read this posts from the beginning to the end and wow I must say that here it is really going on!!!"

Things are going on alright, but it is entertaining!

Greg

Once again folks I have to express my astonishment. I come here to escape the daily dose of Anna Nichole Smith on the national news and there she is ...........reincarnated as a world class physicist. Surreal

Pepper,

RE: Anna Nicole:

But haven't you heard that she was working on a source of limitless, non-polluting energy, and that that is why she couldn't be allowed to finish it by the inter-galactic energy cartel, and their agents, the dreaded "men in black".

(From "befreetech")

"Both plan A and B extricate us from our dependence, but Plan A is a kind of methadone program for getting the world free from addiction to fossil fuel supplied power..."

She was on the verge of the final step in the search for The Holy Grail of Free Energy for all: The long awaited actual coupling and operation of the Hummingbird motor to the Sundance Generator when they caught up with her. The very proof of plan A was the methadone found in her refrigerator!

(Watch for Dennis Lee of "befreetech" to stake a paternity claim any day now and add his name to the long list.)

http://www.befreetech.com/feinfo.htm

"In the "The Case for Free Electricity" video, you'll see the magnetic Hummingbird Motor producing 5 times more output power in torque, than is supplied to it in the form of electricity, and you'll understand why we think a pollution-free, free-electricity machine can be constructed from the components you'll see demonstrated. Also you'll learn why we expect that when the Hummingbird and the Sundance generator are assembled together, we should be able to produce safe, clean, and virtually un-limited electricity for you!"

The aliens and their cohorts, the government are not about to let us use their technologies, while they are so heavily invested in energy and utility stocks.

The truth is out there!

Greg

Greg,

Your killin me son. I followed your befreetech link.........read all I could before reaching critical mass. I remember in Braveheart William Wallace also purported to blow balls of fire out his arse. It's the Masonic Lodge........I suspected it all along.

The truth is out there as are the fools.

Pepper,

It's all soooooo funny!

The "befreetech" link was originally courtesy of Blink in an earlier post (#61 he made in response to your #56).

Greg

I missed it......thanks to Ken. Humor in all things.

Free, free, free! The word is mentioned on the befreetech site so many times it loses all meaning. This site has an example of virtually every single pseudo-science bullshit scientific angle and explanation, although I must admit I have not heard of the dreaded "Illuminati" Cabal which is made out to be worse than in any plot in a Robert Ludlum or Clive Cussler novel ever did. Soooooo much America bashing, Nazis, conspiracies (numerous, and all dangerous) and even poor Mel Gibson being quoted.

Oooh, how about this quote "The hardware is expected to be reliable, but as with any mechanical device, a problem might develop. If our generator stops working, you'll be switched to grid power and your electricity will continue for free"

And a final quote from the site ""Illuminati" Cabal plans to kill 80-90% of us while pretending to be our saviors and expects the remaining slaves to serve them - these corporate fascist "gods" on what will become a prison planet." You will learn all this and more in our No-Risk "Public Awareness Kit" ($100).

Wasn't there a guy a while ago who claimed to be able to telepathically send power to your house for free, as long as you paid him?

Please let me know when this/these whack jobs finally leave us for good (most likely murdered, by who I don't care) as I would like to drink a toast to the world being made a better place by their absence. They give inventors and engineers a bad name.

Cheers!

Jack of all trades,

We accomplished something here. If you check the EverWatt.com site again, you'll see its been cleaned up considerably from its former self. Now, the claim is to save energy only, yet the underlying fiction is still there in the form of "15 kW of energy for the cost of about 1 kW".

That's a multiple of 15:1, and begs the next step of running 15 more generators off the output of the first one, for a multiple of 225! Then, running 225 more generators ...... etc. You get the picture!

The ridiculous "splitting the atom is unnatural" theme, that will doom us all as the earth spins into oblivion stuff is still under the nuclear power tab, but maybe that will go too any day now.

Meanwhile, there are some who believe that "EverWatt Bob" is still prowling the CR4 site under various aliases, or just as a guest.

Greg

What few "free-energy" followers still don't realise is that if something like this DID actually work it would be more dangerous to us and this planet than all the nuclear powerplants and weapons combined.

In the end you cannot get something for nothing and there is no such thing as an easy buck, a no risk investment or a 300% return in 2 weeks - forget it! They should just go back to playing the American lottery, it is far more likely they will win and atleast their money is going towards something useful.

Hi Greg G and Jack of all trades,

Meanwhile, there are some who believe that "EverWatt Bob" is still prowling the CR4 site under various aliases, or just as a guest.

I just checked rdavms user profile and he logged in a few about 5 hours ago so he is still lurking about he's just not posting anything at the moment. I wonder if the trip referred to in post #65 is real or just a way of avoiding the questions I posed in post #64? It' a pity really because I was looking forward to his explanation of how the Sun produced all that energy without nuclear fusion, I could do withy a good laugh. I wonder if he is reverting to the Victorian idea that it is a giant lump of coal?

I suppose a site like CR4 is bound to attract the occasional energy from nothing, perpetual motion machine loony that we seem to be getting every month or so. What annoys me is things like the ever-watt system that keep reappearing in slightly different guises. Dose he think we are so stupid that we will not to notice that it is the same regurgitated rubbishy refuse.

I suppose one way to view this stuff is to say that the people swindled by Dennis Lee types deserve it: they should have paid attention in school. On the other hand, I know there are many people who, through circumstances beyond their control, are completely illiterate in physics, and cannot see these scams as scams. Watching these people invest their life savings in this hogwash is sad, and fraud is clearly illegal for good reason: who wants to have to be on the guard all the time? When so many people are cheating, we all lose a little of the stuff that keeps us going; we lose some of that feeling that we really are all in this together, and that together we can do good things. We end up perpetually wary and distrustful of others.

Dennis Lee should be in jail... he's been doing this crap for decades.

Here are some interesting observations on Dennis Lee from an old James Randi commentary.

Whilst it is true that a fool and his money are soon parted these scams waste a lot of time and effort as well. It also wastes the time of real scientists and engineer that are distracted from legitimate research showing the schemes to be the frauds they are.

If CR4 manages to at least slow down a couple of these fraudsters then it has performed a valuable service to the community.

Well technically it hasn't slown down as I have been talking with rdavm using the private message system. His email he sent me (3 whole pages) was quite disturbing.

Quick rundown is.......Aliens came to him on three separate occations and told him that nuclear biproducts are killing our planet and that we only have 50 years left (they also say that these nuclear biproducts are also directly responsible for causing the major earthquake and sunami in asia recently that killed so many people). They have been trying to warn us using crop circles but we dont listen and it is all Albert Einsteins fault for his theory stating that you cannot travel faster than light. Additionally they said that there are 254 periodic elements and 64 of these make up the spirit (soul). Zero-point energy and Tesla were also mentioned. I am not joking.

That quick rundown fits in perfectly, and maybe it is those very same "aliens" that have made some of the "Guest" postings on other threads.

Greg

Those aliens are a worry. I'm out of here.

Beam me up Scotty!!!

You should only be worried if you are wearing a red security uniform. Having a name and title such as "Ensign Ricky" certainly wont help. No name? No chance.

That's why I changed the colour of my avatar from red to blue!!!

But Captain, I'm doing the best I can!

It's the Sundance Generator: I can't no powurrr!!!!

Scotty

Quit it jack, you're scaring the children.

rdavm should start writing books. there he can get rid of all the idea's, harmless and honestly make nice money. He could become as famous as Jules Verne.

He is smart, a good marketeer with a decent brain, but, I never believe that he will be the successor of Bohr or Planck.

They Everwatt web page has added a link to an everwatt forum so people can enquire about their technology. Perhaps we should move this discussion to that forum.

Hi Masu,

The NeverWatt (Never _{A FREE} Watt ) forum has been there for at least a week and a half. But it didn't change (the lights are on, but nobody is home), except that the last time I had looked there was one poster who asked a question requesting an explanation of something or another, some days previous, and it was not answered. Now I see its gone. But then questions can be so "untidy". Sounds like an alien abduction for sure! I wonder if Bob lines his cap with tinfoil to shield him from the evil energy cartel's mind probe rays? And if so, does he realize the tinfoil has to be quilted for maximum effectiveness?

As to moving our discussion there, I'd be afraid every perpetual motion scheme or physically impossible thought that anyone posts on CR4 would end up in his "under development" product line.

At least Dennis Lee has some creative names for his stuff: The Hummingbird Motor (I guess because it "flits" about, sipping tiny bits of electricity as it churns out mega-power) and the Sundance Generator (The American Indians danced for rain, but he dances for the sun so nobody will need their lights on), and lets not forget the Tornado Generator that runs on water vapor (He was probably watching the Wizard of Oz when he thought that one up).

Regards, Greg

I see Bob has been busy editing his website. It must be him, because the spelling errors are the same ones he makes (otter for other, etc).

Look at his NEW generator picture!

The one that Dennis Lee uses for his Sundance Generator and Hummingbird Motor, and EverWatt used (minus Dennis) has vanished from Bob's site.

He says he is taking orders now! In many languages to boot, with more on the way.

I wonder what language the aliens use when they talk to him?

Greg