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Peak detection when receiving a signal from a transducer

02/08/2007 12:56 PM

i am working on a project that will allow me to measure the paint thickness of composite aircraft parts using high frequency waves through a transducer. by measuring the interference of the waves after they have reflected off of the paint surface and the composite surface i can measure the difference on my oscilloscope. My objective is to make this a handheld device.what can i do to expedite this process? is there any circuit or microcontroller program that would do the detection for me? if yes where could i find such an animal?

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02/08/2007 1:25 PM

That sounds like a great project for someone's master's thesis. Maybe you could fund them?

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02/11/2007 5:20 PM

this is my final project for my bach of science

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02/08/2007 2:44 PM

It can be done based on resistence using a digital SWR meter. There should be a resistence to thickness factor based on signal strength.

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02/09/2007 12:04 AM

I think there are a few ways of telling the thickness of coatings of various types on various substraetes.

It seems to be a mature technology that you can buy off the shelf for your application,

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22thickness+gage%22+%2Bcoating&btnG=Google+Search

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02/11/2007 5:21 PM

the material does not conduct electricity and therefore cannot be done by resistance

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02/11/2007 8:53 PM

well, if you use electromagnetic waves you are not going to be able to make it work. Let us say.001 inch paint. SInce paint is transparent you will not get a first surface reflection.

So it must be sound or the usual capacitive means.

So .001 : and you want to detect, say 5% of that or a variation of .00005.

That means that 1/4 wave must be 0.00005 or a full wave is .0002, since sound travels 1000 feet/second is second will hold 1000/.0002 full wavelengths = 5 Megahertz sonar. They usually send a short pulse and look for the reflection, so you want to operate at 5-10 times that frequency or 25-50 Mhz sound waves.

Seems like quite a task. WHat is the highest frequency medical sonogram?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonography

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02/13/2007 12:52 PM

i am actually taking a sine wave and modulating it with a square wave. then i measure the difference in the peak when a maxima occurs due to interference by itself. this was published by pant and skinner in october of '06. like i said it has already been tested and i just want to make it a handheld device.

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02/13/2007 12:55 PM

oops i forgot to log in ^ was me, guest

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02/13/2007 1:13 PM

Just a few alternative ideas.

You would need to send out a signal and receive one. Possible applications may be an IR diode to transmit, and a photo diode to receive the reflected energy. Based on the voltage drop, or change in resistence in the photo diode. This would need to be read on a non painted part for calibration at first. This would need to be done in a black box with no light entering. Another idea would be to get a sensitive enough scale to measure the difference in weight of the painted part from a non painted one. If the paint application is pretty much constant everytime as in a powder coat application. Hopefully you will get the answer you are looking for. I'm here for some ideas. Good luck.

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