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Stalling '91 Caprice Classic

04/06/2010 5:32 PM

I have a 305 5L eng. I replaced the radiator and hose because it was leaking and overheating before. I replaced that and now it smokes now - white smoke so I flushed radiator and no smoke now i only use water in radiator. When starting it needs gas to get it started and then it idles real erratic with knock/ping noise then after 2 mins it'll slightly smooth out. It'll stall at stop lights but starts up and is fine during cruising or high speeds but when in idle or stopped at light when giving gas it will stall.

Can anyone offer advice or tips and things I should worry about? Do I need new motor?

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Re: STALLNG 91 CAPRICE CLASSIC

04/06/2010 5:39 PM

I think you warped a head, or blew a head gasket. It's a fairly major repair. Sorry for the bad news.

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04/06/2010 5:56 PM

I think it needs a new thermostat capsule or what is called a waxstat it sits in a housing connected to the top hose of the radiator and allows the passage of water through the system when the engine heats up it's to aid starting from cold .Replace the thermostat run the engine and check to see if there is oil in the water . If there is it denotes a blown cylinder head gasket a cracked cylinder head or block. If it's the water pump this would be accompanied with a lot of noise from this pump and water leaking from the gland seal

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04/06/2010 6:13 PM

I agree with Kamarat ., it sounds like the motor is fried .

To check ; start car and remove rad cap , let car warm up , look in rad to see if any boiling or bubbles , be careful not get burned by steam. If you see bubbles your motor is no good.

If no bubbles , put on rad cap . Stop engine , check oil , if oil is milky color your motor is no good.

Advise ; never use only water for car , always use 1/2 antifreeze and 1/2 water mix. This will keep the cooling system from rusting and causing problems . When your car overheats SHUT OFF CAR IMMEDIATELY or severe damage will result .

Let us know what you find.

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04/06/2010 6:28 PM

Are you sure it is smoke or steam if any oil is leaking from the galleries it will form a white emulsion in the radiator then the head or gasket is shot if the head is warped then it can be skimmed i'ts worth it as many of these capri's no longer survive . If it the block that's holed then you will need a new short engine

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04/06/2010 9:15 PM

It may not be a cracked/warped head or block. It may well be that your head gasket has rotted out.

This has happened to me a couple of times when I've used just water not coolant. Ford Cleveland V8's are notorious for it! What has happened is that you've fixed the obvious pressure leak, and now that pressure found somewhere else to go.

What you may find is that you have a coolant leak into the cylinder but not into an oil gallery. The reason it runs rough on start up is that the moisture in that cylinder is not allowing it to fire properly. It clears up after a short while and the pressure in the cylinder keeps the water at bay and possibly pressurises the cooling system.

To test is simple. With the engine cold, remove the spark plugs one by one and examine them for signs of corrosion (rust) or water droplets on the electrodes. Refit each of the plugs after inspection. If you do find water or corrosion, there's your sign.

2/ Remove the radiator cap (another reason to do this when the motor is cold), Note if there is any air pressure release. There's another sign. (a hot cooling system will have pressure normally)

3/ Top up cooling system, leave the radiator cap off. Start the motor, there may be some brief air bubbles present at the radiator filler neck but they should subside after a minute or so.

If you find an ongoing stream of bubbles coming out of the radiator filler neck after 5 minutes. You have a blown head gasket.

What to do?

To replace a head gasket is not rocket science however it has a reasonable degree of difficulty and is not recommended for first time shade tree mechanics without appropriate technical assistance. Also you will need to have the appropriate tools to do the job.

A good mechanical workshop, will take about 4 hours to do the job not including sending the head(s) away for checking/machining. Good Head machine shops will be busy so it may take a couple of days for them to do your head(s) and get them back to your workshop.

It's the incidentals that get you. Depending on what else is found when they pull the head(s) off. Usually you find there will be other cooling system issues like hoses and welsh plugs(freeze plugs) that will need to be replaced. Depending on the mileage of the motor and how kind you or the previous owner has been to it you might be better off replacing it with a crate motor. Than rebuilding it.

It all depends on what is the car worth, its' general condition, how much in love with it you are and your ability to afford the appropriate repair/replacement. If it's a $300 rust riddled clunker, then (even as sympathetic as I am to old iron) it would not be a candle worth lighting.

You didn't mention if you have had over heating problems prior to fixing the leak. If you have had over heating (boiled the motor dry) issues then you are looking at a total rebuild/replacement motor.

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Re: STALLNG 91 CAPRICE CLASSIC

04/07/2010 1:18 AM

what can i say all the above are good answers.

does sound like heads warped though.

know anyone who can presure test the system, AA patrols carry the kit in uk, do they where you live?

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04/07/2010 4:42 AM

Good answer changing the head gasket but if the engine has been subjected to excessive heat the head will have to be machined flat to obtain a good fit to the gasket another thing and iI don't think that Ford blocks have them but if it has wet liners the base of the liners are sealed with a copper ring gasket I had this problem when I had a Lagonda cylinder head skimmed. This engine had also been fried

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04/07/2010 6:34 AM

Having done a little research on this car, it has a Chevrolet cast iron small block motor. So its a parent bore block no liners, cast iron heads and block.

You really have to get these badly over heated to damage them. The OP could well get away with replacing the head gaskets if the gaskets have failed because they rotted. That said, if the gaskets have failed through overheating then its at least a top end overhaul including crack testing the heads. However to do the job properly,it involves pulling the motor out and rebuilding (freshening) the motor with machining, decking, line boring, re-honing the block. Fitting first oversize piston and rings, main, con-rod and cam bearings, a new cam and lifters. While your at it replace all the welsh(freeze) plugs, waterpump, and check that the oil pump is still serviceable. Like I mentioned in my first post its the incidentals that get you..

In the US the factory supplied warrantied plug n play crate motor is a cheap option, makes it a bit academic to rebuild your heat damaged motor.

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04/07/2010 8:21 AM

I wondered what welsh freeze plugs are I think I know we call them core plugs over this side of the pond

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04/07/2010 10:19 AM

In Oz we call them Welsh plugs, the US refers to them as Freeze Plugs. They're used to plug in the side of the block and the heads. These fill the holes left after casting

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04/07/2010 10:51 AM

I know that sport greetings to Oz from one pom

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04/07/2010 8:23 AM

It also could be something as simple as replacing the radiator pressure cap

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04/07/2010 11:03 AM

It also could be something as simple as replacing the radiator pressure cap a high pressure must be present to increase the boiling point you know water boils a lot sooner at less atmospheric pressure a pan of water will boil a lot sooner at the top of a mountain suggest that the sealing washer in the radiator cap is in good condition if not replace the cap. you could use a pressure tester for this buy one or get a garage to check it all the other answers we have been giving you are just supposition. Will be retiring from this thread shortly also antifreeze increases the boiling point and prevents corrosion.This can be checked with a hydrometer to see that it's up to strength 1.6 specific gravity

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