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Solar Aussie

04/12/2010 8:00 AM

I have 40 1.8 metre solar evacuated tubes for hot water and at present 12 ,300 watt sunpower panels onto a 3.8 sunnyboy inverter straight to grid, I am soon to have 14 panels as temperature losses keep normal output below 3kwh.

I have read peoples thoughts about cooling and I tried just simple roof cooling but that was a waste of water and efficient.

But it did prove that on sunny days that were hot I was sustaining losses of over 1kwh.

I observed today how cold panels and a bit of sun shine make these panels about 110% of out put.

I have readings of 3.8 kwh on such days where one would not even think they would be ineffective.

I was thinking plastic containers that fitted onto panels underneath and spray mists of water inside and cool the flow on continuos cycle thus cooling panels.

But would sunpowered refigeration work better, the old type Kerosene fridge type .

It has to be simple and cheap surely such options are feasible.

From what I am seeing small solar panels are a waste of effort when heat losses would make the unit ineffective.

Full sun high heat, 2.9 kwh max, cooling effect 3.6 instant change.

The potential power gain on big solar collectors would be huge if panels were kept cool.

I was looking at large system of evac tubes and home made refrigerated aircon but could not get insurance on a cheap heap of second hand tubes to bring them home.

But such a unit would be more effecient the hotter the day.

could such a unit cool panels and do it economically.

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Re: Solar Aussie

04/12/2010 10:31 AM

Hello there Solar Aussie,

Looks like we're in the same boat....getting our Solar PV modules cooled off enough to produce Peak generated energy. I have 7.56 Kw of PV on my roof and am loosing power when the panels get around +150 degrees F. I also have 52 solar evacuated collector tubes (Owens Illinois and NASA surplus) that I haven't put together yet...still fabricating the heat pipes and manifolds. etc. to help heat the house and provide DHW.

I've seen where some tinkerers have been using their tubes in the summertime and converting all of those beautiful free BTU's into free A/C or chilled air by using a heat sink in the ground and a reversed chiller unit. I was thinking of going that way myself, but need to do more research on the process and how to modify an old chiller unit. I'm no Mechanical Engineer (I'm a Civil Eng.), so I'll be asking some ME friends for advice!

Whatever you do, make sure you can get it to work without dumping a ton of money and energy into the system just to cool off the PV modules a tiny bit......water streaming over the panels would have been nice, but the energy involved pumping the water up to the panels may be too much, plus you may be in a water use restriction area.

Good luck, and please have a great sunny day!

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04/13/2010 12:24 PM

If you are going to bury a large heatsink underground, you might want to consider installing a geothermal heatpump. It might be simpler and lest expensive.

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04/12/2010 5:49 PM

Welcome aboard. Good to have another one from "down under" on the site.

Looks like you're "smarter than the average Joe." to have picked up that issue with the solar panels.

The kerro fridge idea sounds good, but I've tried in vain to get someone to take one from paper to reality and there has been a deafening silence. Everyone in HVAC seems to have been educated in a time when compressors and motors must be included into the system. The other drawback is the gas used (Was a mix of amonia, Hydrogen and water) as most now don't want to go near that. I've also seen systems running on LP gas as the refrigerant, but again only jury rigged and no-one would ever build that for household install.

Maybe your instalation area could be changed to provide greater circulation behind the panel s and cool them that way. (Greater gap from roof, or even a stand alone situation.)

By the way, do you angle compensate for the summer/winter angle change of the sun? It might also be more cost effective to do this and get the extra generation in winter rather than the refrigeratin issue you are currently chasing.

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04/13/2010 3:50 AM

Hi,

Rather than wasting the heat energy, why not rig your cold feed pipes to your solar hot water tubes, so that you can preheat the cold water and cool your PV panels at the same time.

Hope this Helps

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04/13/2010 11:05 AM

You are producing EMF until your panels reach 150 degrees Farenheiet , then heat

fatigue is removing panel efficiency. You're correct - Supercooled panels would

produce scads more EMF than hot ones. You must have now , in your electrical

loop , an electric refrigerant compressor , coolant , and refrigerator tubes

(aluminum or stainless steel) directing this supercolled coolant under your panels .

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