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P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/19/2010 10:53 AM

We are starting the High Pressure Steam line welding that is using P-91 material. As rust is not wanted, the ID presents its own set of problems. Is it permissable, or even advisable to use an Anti-Spatter compound, which will provide some RP to preserve the ID. If this is permissable, or advisable, how long will the Anti-Spatter last for the purpose of rust prevention?

The WPS is qualified in accordance with ASME Section IX, the work is in accordance with ASME Section I, as are the welders. The pre-heat is subcontracted using thermocoupling and blankets, and ranges between 400 F and 600 F.

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Re: P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/19/2010 1:12 PM

Antispatter compound is intended to prevent weld spatter from building up on jigs and fixtures used to hold parts to be welded. It is not intended to be used a shielding and may contaminate the weldment. Selection of covered electrodes for Shielded Metal Arc Welding (SMAW) is an essential variable, as is shield gas is with Gas Tungsten Arc Welding (GTAW). Since the flux coating provides shielding for SMAW, you may be walking the line of a Weld Procedure Specification (WPS) violation. Further; you may be violating internal cleanliness requirements for the system. Therefore; I would not recommend the use of antispatter compound.

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Re: P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/19/2010 1:53 PM

Id would like to add:

If you are concerned about oxidation of completed sections of pipe during ongoing fabrication prior to final installation and service, then I would suggest the use of an inert gas blanket. An inexpensive inert gas pressurized to just above atmospheric will protect from oxidation and not represent a contamination or cleanliness problem. There are safety concerns for personnel, as the gas displaces oxygen.

I do not know the governing specification, but there is an ANSI/ASME N42.6.X standard for material storage that covers this.

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Re: P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/19/2010 2:38 PM

PMoon, Thank you. You've been most informative, and enlightening.

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Re: P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/20/2010 7:01 PM

P=91 is not prone to rust - most times an argon purge (0% O2), A Hydrogen removal cycle (a extended soak after welding at preheat temperature or even an elevated temperature (600, 700 degrees F.) for an hour per inch or there abouts. This is more important if your are cooling to ambient before RT. It is recommended that you go to ambient before PWHT when welding P91

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Re: P-91 ID Rust Prevention

04/23/2010 5:06 PM

The anti spatter is not made really for preventing spatter from stickling to the work piece it is really made to use on nozzles and tips although it doesn't hurt to apply[ it anywhere spatter may stick. Anti spatter should not contaminate the weld but it may trap dust and other contaminates that will if the bevels are not very clean when it is applied.I do not understand why you are trying to prevent rust in a steam line other than just covering the ends of your pipe after prepping the ends for welding. The normal way to do more do more to prevent rust would be to apply the Bloxide brand weldable paint to the prepped area before covering the pipe. Bloxide brand paint is one coating that made for this and it is weldable and although the welders will b***h about it and may even buff it off before making a weld it does work and I have made many hundreds of x-ray quality welds with it on the bevels. The thing is that you should be doing a series of steam blows on any steam line after it is installed (but before you install the flow element and tie in and use the line) to remove any debris left in the pipe like welding rod stubs, slag, drink cans and anything else that someone drops in the pipe during construction and this will get all of the rust and scale as well. The blow targets will tell you when it is clean and although you can prevent excessive rust and debris from entering the pipe during construction I have never seen it happen 100%.

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