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Weird Employer Question

04/27/2010 11:46 AM

I was approached by a firm and have been speaking about employment.

He said something that I cannot understand.

"I have I need a Maintenance Planner that is a Journeyman Electrician. Must have strong PM type work along with a little supervisory. "

What does a maintenance planner do?

What is PM? Is it preventative maintenance?

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04/27/2010 12:10 PM

I would expect that PM is preventative maintenance.

Taking on the title of maintenance planner implies to me that this job will be expected to keep a facility operational 24/7 by replacing parts before the MTBF threshold gets crossed. Notice that 24/7 operational does not mean that this facility will be operating continuously but that at anytime on any day the facility should come to life at the throw of a switch. Identify if the maintenance planner title incorporates only the electrical circuitry that a Journeyman Electrician will be responsible for or if this title will do the coordination with all of the skilled crafts to keep the building overhead functioning.

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04/28/2010 3:56 AM

Just a brief aside: MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) is completely different from expected lifetime (wear out time). The MTBF of a 20 year old man is about 1000 years.

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04/28/2010 11:11 PM

I just gotta see the math behind this one please. Death surely could pretty much be classed as a failure and this for most men would occur every 75 years or so (only one in most cases). MTBF for men is therfore 75 years if we ignore all the silly liitle failures like heart attacks, prostate etc etc. 1000 years would be just dandy.

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04/29/2010 2:53 AM

Survey 10 thousand men aged twenty; survey them again one year later; you'd expect ten of them to have died (I don't know if this includes accidents/wars etc., I don't think so).

That's exactly the point MTBF is completely different from expected lifetime.

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04/29/2010 10:30 PM

OK - I think I got it. Your are looking at the MTBF of 20 year old men.

If I look at the MTBF of men then something like 75 years would be correct?

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04/30/2010 4:54 AM

Hmmmmmmm a bit tricky. With lots of reservations (like: shouldn't you subtract the age at which a boy becomes a man) it probably works out that way. But is it a meaningful statement or calculation to make?

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04/27/2010 12:16 PM

this is just a guess

but a maintenance planner is someone who plans the preventative maintenance so as to avoid breakdowns ie fix parts before they break if poss

look at history of parts that have failed in the past and consider changing them after a set amount of hours even if they haven't failed yet.

It would depend on the results of a failure of the part. example if the part that fails takes 6 hours to replace and the production is halted during that time. How much productivity is lost against replacing the part when production is at a stop for holidays etc.

and PM is the same really you maintain the parts and replace before they stop the process.

it may be a good idea to have periodic production holidays when the most critical parts could be replaced during the factory shut down.

Rather than have a critical part of the production line fail unexpectedly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman

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04/27/2010 1:39 PM

What does a maintenance planner do?
Plans a preventative maintenance/inspection schedule?

What is PM?
Personal motivation?
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04/27/2010 1:54 PM

I was going to guess that one too, but found I wasn't motivated.

Thank you Del

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04/27/2010 3:28 PM

Perhaps in your case: Personal Mouse.

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04/27/2010 6:12 PM

PM = PRIME MINISTER

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04/27/2010 8:43 PM

The best advice I can suggest is to go back to the guy who you don't understand and ask him to clarify what he means. All the options you will receive from the forum here will also be correct but they may not be what that guy means and since he is the one you will be working for, you should be clear on what he wants and what he wants you to do.

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04/27/2010 9:07 PM

Another aspect of preventative maintenance that might apply to a Planner's duties would be inspection and monitoring of equipment, and the monitoring of changes in product quality that might indicate that equipment needs to be serviced. The Planner would schedule inspections or product quality reviews, and when those inspections/reviews indicate that equipment needs to be serviced, the Planner schedules the service.

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04/27/2010 9:13 PM

Another current definition for PM is "Project Manager" or "Project Management".

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04/27/2010 9:21 PM

PM's or Preventative Maintenance times are planned machine outages used at regular intervals to replace parts that are approaching the end off their life so that unplanned breakdowns do not disrupt production. In order to do proper preventative maintenance and minimize production downtime it is necessary to have someone who can put together a job time line for specific tasks on that equipment. This includes knowing the parts that need to be inspected, the replacement time if necessary and coordinating the people and equipment so that all is in place to maximize the amount of work achieved in the minimum time.

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04/27/2010 11:40 PM

A maintenance planner in my experience, is a coordinator, whose duties include:

ordering of parts, with in the constraints of the budget

processing work orders, that may have been generated by the preventive maintenance system or by variance observed by maintenance, production, quality or safety inspections.

the prioritizing of the work, especially the lower level normal replacements

in short the clerical functions of the manager or supervisor

the technical knowledge required varies

from simple clerical to full journeyman...

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04/28/2010 2:43 AM

I think Garth (#12) and Guest (#11) had the best answers to the question and deserve GA's. As to the meaning of "PM" in the two sentence job description one could guess "Preventative Maintenance" or "Project Manager/Management" or both. I'd vote for both. I'll try to explain.......

I'm looking back here at several years in my own U.S. Navy experience as a junior CEC officer in what they called "Public Works", basically facilities engineering and maintenance. The Navy Facilities Engineering Command instituted a program called "Controlled Maintenance" at major bases and air stations in the early 1960's. Large maintenance organizations organized into departments for each of the different major building trade groups needed a centralized planning group to make most efficient use of labor and coordinate the complex jobs requiring a mix of trades people and coordination with entities outside the maintenance organizations.

The resulting "Maintenance Control" staff were planner types closely matching the job description our OP gave who relieved trades supervisors of the routine planning and scheduling of work orders. The work requests would come from outside organizations or the maintenance department's own preventive maintenance schedule charts. Depending on the type of materials required these Maintenance Planners might order materials, prepare bills of material, schedule deliveries of materials or coordinate the work of outside specialty contractors.

Maintenance control, like it's cousin Production Control in manufacturing industries, provides a better system for overall management of activities in an organization since work orders would involve estimates against which actual job performance could be compared and distribution of labor made more efficient. In addition organized and centralized planning and scheduling would enable better handling of changes and reporting to higher management and outside departments. And in the case of non-government organizations and companies a single voice dealing with city planning departments is an absolute necessity.

The idea of maintenance control can extend down to relatively small maintenance groups in small organizations where the maintenance boss begins to overload with work and needs another person in the office to do routine job planning and scheduling. Perhaps the job opening in question is one where the bulk of the maintenance work involved is electrical in nature and the maintenance boss is experienced in a different trade. In this situation the human skills that make a good supervisor can be especially helpful in the maintenance planner position. Also such a person in that position is ideally placed to train for eventual promotion to maintenance supervision. With respect to preventive maintenance it is often the case that a business often reaches the point where keeping track of the varying preventive maintenance requirement of a growing equipment list and doing that work efficiently requires a well thought out and documented plan. As mentioned in one of the above replies efficient coordination of equipment shutdown for PM can be critical to the profitability of the business.

Nowadays we have computer resources that were only a dream in the 1960's. I've been away from the world of maintenance engineering for 42 years; so I cannot recommend specific software. I have to believe there are many maintenance control software packages available to eliminate much of the grunt work involved in routine maintenance work estimating, scheduling and job order creation. So for someone looking to work in a maintenance planner position a good amount of computer literacy is probably a requirement.

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04/28/2010 1:07 AM

Agree that Maintenance Planner would be expected to create a plan for Scheduled Maintenance to avoid unplanned outages.

In the context of the second part of the sentence, I would expect that PM refers to Project Management ie to paraphrase - "Must have strong Project Maintenance experience, as well as some experience in Supervisory roles".

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04/28/2010 1:13 AM

What do they think a "journeyman" is? I bet it's not what the word actually means.

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04/28/2010 2:05 AM

A journeyman is someone with a union card or sufficient hands on experience - this company is looking for a guy several steps up the capability ladder. A journeyman++

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04/28/2010 8:40 AM

Let me tell you something, I have been a IBEW member for over 25 years and not all guys holding a card are in my eye's qualified. Years ago maybe but the young guys coming up only want the rate and don't care as much about being a real journeyman.

Don't get me wrong the union trained workers are the better pick, but we do have our issues.

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04/28/2010 10:00 AM

I think PM here may indicates Plant Maintenance. Maintenance planner may be job title in PM department/ section.

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04/28/2010 12:29 PM

He wants someone to estimate, schedule and plan out a maintenance routine. Probably have to develop written procedures and schedules for staf to plan by. I they mean project management skills when stating PM, such as developing schedules, cost estimating, projecting and managing budgets in coordination with maintenance schedules, coordinating work efforts, etc.. Supervisory would mean managing the direct work activities of the maintenance crews.

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04/28/2010 6:28 PM

A Maintenance planner sets up a preventive as well as corrective maintenance schedule for every piece of equipment in a facility. If it's all electrical/mechanical gear with one crew, then you would have one master schedule for PM which would break it down to Planned Maintenance (PM) on a daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly semi-annual and annual basis, or on a basis of/use. The manufacturer should have a PM schedule for their equipment which should be incorporated in the weeky PMS posting. This posting shows what needs to be done on what equipment, who is assigned to do it, and when it is completed, signed off on by that person, or red-tagged for completion and an explanation why it couldn't be done and when it rescheduled. This is not just for longevity of the equipment, it is a big safety issue to make sure that something doesn't go wrong because a particular alarm wasn't properly recalibrated, etc...

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04/28/2010 9:39 PM

I think PM means Preventive Maintenance since the job involves maintenance, but it could be Post Mortem. Just ask the guy.

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04/29/2010 3:00 AM

What can I say? CRIMINAL

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05/04/2010 8:04 AM

Now the PM is used (and is more common) for Predictive Maintainence (which includes schedules for preventives).

These are for keeping the OEE to maximum (major scheduled maintenances are timed for minimum impact)

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