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Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/04/2010 12:10 PM

During the mixing of concrete in a tub mixer, there are small (clumps) balls of concrete and steel fibers which are hard to seperate at best. When one sieves through the finished product the clumps of steel fiber and concrete can not be found in the mix.

Does anyone know the science behind this issue?

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/04/2010 2:34 PM

Steel fiber?

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/05/2010 8:52 AM

WIRAND® Steel Fibers ASTM A 820

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/04/2010 11:21 PM

I have experimented with fiber mesh (a fiberglass) additive to concrete, but I am unfamiliar with steel mesh! Do you have a manufacturer or Product name that we might research? Gary

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/05/2010 3:23 AM

While I am not an expert at explaining the science of hydration and mixing I can offer some insights on facilitating mixing. If you add most of your course aggregate in after your head water along with any air entrainment you may be using you may then add all your cement and it should evenly disperse throughout. Then add your sand and any additional rock and fibers along with additional water for proper slump. This should help to speed your mixing also. Adding any water reducing agents with or after your sand should help to eliminate any issues with air falling off as the mix is poured. ACI has guidelines for this and your add-mixture supplier should be a good source for guidance also.

Good luck and remember,

"when you're working with concrete, it just gets harder every day"

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05/05/2010 8:53 AM

The steel fiber is added continuously during the batch process...

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/08/2010 5:30 PM

the steel should be added at the end of the batch process and not during. this will stop the clumping. probably best to get advice from the steel nail supplier who has ultimately more experience than the batch concrrete supplier.

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05/05/2010 8:54 AM
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05/05/2010 8:56 AM

I signed in under guest, forgot to sign in under commodity sampler!

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Re: Steel Fiber Ball in Batching Concrete Issue

05/05/2010 2:25 PM

If I am understanding your word-picture properly, I suspect that the clumping / aggregating of cement and of steel fibers is happening to dry, or very nearly dry, material, and that once the surfaces are wetted movement and dispersal become much easier. Water is a lubricant for steel-on-steel, according to some railroad enthusiasts I've known.

I don't recall having problems of clumping when I last worked with steel fiber reinforced concrete, but that was around 1977-78; our "needles" were by-product from manufacturing steel-belted tires. Each piece was about 2-1/2" long, made of high-tensile steel wire with alternating flattened spots 90 degrees apart every half inch or so to provide flex, and flash-coated with copper to improve adhesion of the rubber. They DID clump in the boxes, but usually separated nicely in the drum. We were using an air-entraining, chemically-compensated [for shrinkage] cement, minimum water, and a special sand (no coarse aggregate at all), which might have influenced results.

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05/06/2010 2:45 PM

Thank you

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Jim...

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