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Alternate Electric Power

05/16/2010 8:35 AM

I have an old gas powered DC welder, could I use it for a wind turbine to power my shop? Could I also couple a hydraulic pump to the turbine blades and run hydraulic lines down to a hydraulic motor which would then be coupled to the DC welder to produce power?

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05/16/2010 11:36 AM

Sure you can, this sounds plausible. It probably would not be the most practical configuration available but rarely has the most practical design been built on the first iteration. I personally would not choose hydraulics to transfer the mechanical power to your DC welder but I don't work with hydraulics. Expect to have some difficulties along the way. In particular, I notice in your proposed list of parts that you do not have any power storage. This will mean that as the wind speed changes, your available power will change. You will also be limited by how much wind you have on any particular day.

Take notes about your discoveries and keep us updated.

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06/05/2010 9:53 AM

Thanks for your reply, i would be inverting the DC to AC and i would also have a bank of batteries. Is there a way to make a converter or if not, who has the best inverter to purchase i would be looking to get atleast a 10000 watt or larger.

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06/05/2010 11:31 AM

In theory you could fabricate a 10kW inverter. But this comes into the realm that if you have to ask how to do this, it should remain theory to you. To feed your curiosity about how complicated a 10kW inverter is I recommend you examine the Virginia Tech energy challenge submittal where a team of engineering students designed and fabricated a 10kW inverter that operates off of a fuel cell.

Now there are a variety of different 10kW inverters assemblies available on the web. To choose which will be correct for your installation requires knowing the details of your installation.

If you have yet to fabricate your wind turbine assembly then I would seriously consider contracting a complete outside ordered system like Solardyne.

This will not be a small, endeavor. I'm more than a little apprehensive providing any kind of advice. While I have worked with many much large energy systems greater than 10kW, this is not a harmless amount of power that anyone can tinker with safely.

While I applaud the use of green power, I recommend you contact a local firm that can survey your site and requirements.

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05/17/2010 1:10 AM

If you use the hydraulic pump to pressurize an accumulator, you get some storage capability. This also allows you to drive the DC welder at constant speed, independent of the wind velocity (assuming you have stored enough energy to keep it running!). Beyond that, one needs to think of how much energy is required to drive the welder against the likely load, vs. how much energy one will be able to collect from the wind. I suspect that, for any significant load being supplied from the welder, one is going to need a pretty significant wind generator...

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05/17/2010 8:30 AM

Amen to that!

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05/17/2010 2:44 AM

No, you'll need a huge wind turbine and hydraulics are a famously inefficient way to transfer power.

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05/17/2010 11:26 AM

When you say "...power my shop", I suspect you mean power your lights and machines. These probably use AC. Although it would be possible to power Incandescent lights with DC, they would have to be wired separately from everything else. You would need a DC-AC Inverter for everything else. If any of your machines are 3-phase, then you would need a 3-phase inverter.

As others have already said, you also need a rather large wind turbine and some form of energy storage.

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