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05/17/2010 3:37 PM

I have a computer plugged into my telly via a Nvidia 6800 AGP, through the S-Video. The colour is fine on the computer, but when the computer is making sound, logging on or playing videos, the screen gets diagonal lines racing across it. This takes up the whole of the screen, and it all goes black and white. This makes it un-watchable. As soon as the video is finished, the screen returns to normal. I am running windows XP, onto a CRT (I know its amazing) screen, via s-video. I have also plugged in my laptop via the same cable, and it works fine, so it is the computer which is at fault. Does anyone have any ideas on how to rectify the problem?

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05/17/2010 11:04 PM

I should try with a different computer first, just as a test. Probably your video card or ram is not compatible or exhausted. You can try to free up some memory for that purpose. I think the video loses synchronism - Try also the sound in mono (from the computer) Looks like the sync pulses are messed up. Just a guess.

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05/17/2010 11:10 PM

You might need to decrease the refresh rate that the computer is sending to the CRT. For example, maybe the CRT supports 60 Hz and the computer is sending 75 Hz.

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05/18/2010 11:13 AM

I have checked, the computer is sending 60 Hz, which is all that is supported.

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05/18/2010 12:29 AM

Unlike a computer monitor, which has a wide range horizontal frequency, your television has a fixed horizontal scan frequency. Your computer signal must scan at the same frequency or else it causes the television to lose sync or lock onto a harmonic (which is what your's is doing) creating the moving bars. You should be able to manually change the scan frequency of your video card. The setting should be available in the control window of your video card. Note this will not cause any damage in any case.

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05/18/2010 2:25 AM

Thanks. Surely though, it would have the problem the whole time, not just when playing videos and logging on etc?

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05/18/2010 10:11 AM

Make sure your driver(s) is current. They're updated all the time: nvidia.com.

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05/18/2010 11:08 AM

They are the newest drivers.

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05/18/2010 4:33 PM

Are you running video on PAL Secam or NTSC ? or rgb ?

because if tv is say Ntsc and computer is outputting PAL that might be the reason

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05/19/2010 2:02 AM

Both the telly and the computer are running PAL. If it is worth noting, the colour is wrong, the task bar is purple rather than blue, and it switches between black and white and the off colour.

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05/20/2010 3:36 PM

Update: The problem only occurs when the computer is playing sounds. The sound runs via a USB sound card, and it makes absolutely no difference if it is closer or further from the computer.

Also, if the computer is plugged in via the VCR which then goes into the telly, the colour is a lot richer, and doesn't fade. The screen still buzzes when sounds are plated though.

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05/20/2010 4:13 PM

Bondy,

When you have a S-video on your computer, in that plug is also audio connected. Bringing in a second audio source through USB to a different audio card can cause conflicts in the sync train of your composed video signal. The composed video signal has the sound in it and the sync pulses to run your horizontal info lines, the (suppressed) return lines and also the image refresh rate. Your television might get if from your grid (50Hz or 60Hz) and is probably disturbed and out of phase. You will need to work on your television to stop receiving the sync, refresh from the grid and have it supplied from the computer. These pulses are in the information part of the train. Getting your video signal separately and your audio might also be a way to solve it. That is how televisions work: with PAL "the operating instructions - kind of protocol - only one way" controls your image and sound. You can try to interrupt the audio in your S-video cable or work with a multiplex card that handles both audio and video. Good luck

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05/21/2010 1:36 AM

Audio isn't also connected, there is only 4 pins in the plug.

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05/21/2010 3:19 AM

mono or stereo? It can be 1 for video 1 for ground one for L audio one for R audio with common ground, or mono 1 hot one ground one signal video, one ground video. What are the numbers connected and do they have colors?

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05/20/2010 4:44 PM

What type of tv do you have ? exact make and model.

reason the S-video is somtimes used for other things as well as video.

can you remove the s-vhs lead and use the phono leads ie composite leads

so that will sound L+Right channels and composite video, if that works there must be a problem with the S-video

Read the below it would appear the s video could be causing the problem

Another incompatibility due to S-Video's not being part of the original SCART standard is when connecting a SCART output device such as a cable TV box to a TV with a mini-DIN S-Video input. In many cases, if this connection is made, the result will be a predominantly black-and-white picture, with most of the color (chrominance signal) washed out. An example of this is when connecting a SCART output of a FOXTEL Digital Box (Australia) to a mini-DIN S-Video input of a TV. An impedance mismatch between the SCART and mini-DIN interfaces causes the signal levels to be reduced to the TV, resulting in the poor picture. This problem can be overcome by terminating the chrominance line of the SCART plug with a 75-ohm resistor, correcting the mismatch. Many high-end sets do support this connection, however (without the termination), due to their inputs' having a larger dynamic range.

At least some Fujitsu laptops (S-7020, S-7110) use so-called mini S-Video connector [4] for TV-Out. This mini S-Video connector is actually a 3.5mm RCA connector. Such a mini S-Video is however rather rare, and it is very difficult to obtain appropriate cable for it.

The luminance (Y; gray-scale) signal and modulated chrominance (C; color) information are carried on separate, synchronised signal and ground pairs.

In composite video, the luminance signal is low-pass filtered to prevent crosstalk between high-frequency luminance information and the color subcarrier. S-Video maintains the two as separate signals, so that detrimental low-pass filtering is unnecessary. This increases bandwidth for the luminance information, and also subdues the color crosstalk problem. The infamous dot crawl is eliminated. This means that S-Video leaves more information from the original video intact; thus, it offers an improved image reproduction compared to composite video.

Due to the separation of the video into brightness and color components, S-Video is sometimes considered a type of component video signal; however, it is also the poorest, quality-wise, being far surpassed by the more complex component video schemes, such as RGB. What distinguishes S-Video from these better component-video schemes is that S-Video carries the color information as one signal. This means that the color has to be encoded in some way, and as such, NTSC, PAL, and SECAM signals are all decidedly different through S-Video. Thus, for full compatibility, the connected devices not only have to be S-Video compatible, but also compatible in terms of color encoding. In addition, S-Video suffers from reduced color resolution. NTSC S-Video color resolution is typically 120 lines horizontal (approximately 160 pixels edge-to-edge)[citation needed], versus 250 lines horizontal for the Rec. 601-encoded signal of a DVD, or 30 lines horizontal for standard VCRs.

When used for connecting a video source to a video display that supports both 4:3 and 16:9 display formats, the PAL television standard provides for signaling pulses that will automatically switch the display from one format to the other. The S-Video connection transparently supports this operation. The S-Video connection also has general provision for widescreen signaling through a DC offset applied to the chrominance signal; however, this is a more recent development, and is not widely supported.

[edit] History

In 1987, JVC's release of S-VHS introduced the S-Video cable standard. With S-Video cables, the S-VHS video cassette systems play with their full potential, completing the improved definition and resolution into a compatible TV. Due to low market penetration of television sets and video devices equipped with S-Video ports, the format failed to become a mainstream image standard and remained in the niche high-end home theater market.

In the late 1990s, big-screen television sets began shipping with S-Video option in input ports, thus increasing the number of supportable electronic devices such as DVD players, satellite receivers, and video game consoles. The format gained some popularity as a better alternative to composite video inputs. S-Video was also adopted in the graphics card market in the early 2000s as a video-output solution, from computers to TVs.

The introduction of component video, offering a better image and backward compatibility, replaced S-video as the default alternative to the composite video.

Etymologically, the word S-video has several denotations: Super Video (complementing Super VHS), Separated Video, and S-VHS cable.

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An S-Video signal is generally connected using a cable with 4-pin mini-DIN connectors. Apart from the impedance requirement, these cables are equivalent to regular mini-DIN cables (like Apple's ADB); these cables can be used for S-Video transfer if no other cable is available, but picture quality may not be as good. Due to the wide use of S-Video connections for DVD players, S-Video cables are fairly inexpensive compared to component or digital connector cables.

The mini-DIN pins, being weak, sometimes bend. This can result in the loss of color or other corruption (or loss) in the signal. A bent pin can be forced back into shape, but this carries the risk of the pin breaking off.

Before the mini-DIN plug became standard, S-Video signals were often carried through different types of plugs. For example, the Commodore 64 home computer of the 1980s, one of the first widely available devices to feature S-Video output, used an 8-pin DIN connector on the computer end and a pair of RCA plugs on the monitor end. (Also available via third-party vendors was an 8-pin DIN-to-4-pin mini-DIN to connect the Commodore directly to a television.) The S-Video connector is the most common video-out connector on laptop computers; however, many devices with S-Video outputs also have composite outputs.

The Atari 800 home computer featured S-Video outputs three years before the Commodore 64, in 1979, via a 5-pin DIN plug.

Both S-Video and audio (mono or stereo) signals can be transferred through SCART connections as well. However, it was not part of the original SCART standard, and not every SCART-compatible device supports it for this reason. Also, S-Video and RGB are mutually exclusive through SCART, due to the S-Video implementation's using the pins allocated for RGB. Most SCART-equipped televisions and VCRs (and almost all of the older ones) do not actually support S-Video, resulting in a monochrome picture if such a connection is attempted, as only the luminance signal portion is usable. Generally, a monochrome picture in itself can also be a sign of incompatible color encoding: for example, NTSC material viewed through a PAL-only device.

Another incompatibility due to S-Video's not being part of the original SCART standard is when connecting a SCART output device such as a cable TV box to a TV with a mini-DIN S-Video input. In many cases, if this connection is made, the result will be a predominantly black-and-white picture, with most of the color (chrominance signal) washed out. An example of this is when connecting a SCART output of a FOXTEL Digital Box (Australia) to a mini-DIN S-Video input of a TV. An impedance mismatch between the SCART and mini-DIN interfaces causes the signal levels to be reduced to the TV, resulting in the poor picture. This problem can be overcome by terminating the chrominance line of the SCART plug with a 75-ohm resistor, correcting the mismatch. Many high-end sets do support this connection, however (without the termination), due to their inputs' having a larger dynamic range.

At least some Fujitsu laptops (S-7020, S-7110) use so-called mini S-Video connector [4] for TV-Out. This mini S-Video connector is actually a 3.5mm RCA connector. Such a mini S-Video is however rather rare, and it is very difficult to obtain appropriate cable for it.

[edit] Usage

S-Video is commonly used throughout the world with relative popularity. It is found on consumer TVs, DVD players, high-end video cassette recorders, digital TV receivers, DVRs, game consoles, and graphics cards. It has been replaced by component video and digital video standards, such as DVI and HDMI.

S-Video cables are used for computer-to-TV output for business or home use. Because it is very simple to convert S-Video to composite signal (just the physical merging of the two through a filter capacitor is required), many electronics retailers offer converter adaptors for signal conversion. Conversion will not improve image quality, but will allow connecting to otherwise incompatible devices. Converting composite signal to S-Video is harder, because once Luminance and Color are merged, it is hard to separate them while minimizing loss. High quality comb filters are commonly used to separate the signals.

Due to a lack of bandwidth, S-Video connections are generally not considered suitable for high-definition video signals. As a result, HD sources are generally connected to a monitor by way of analog component video or wideband digital methods (usually HDMI or DVI). However, when using older monitors with S-Video but without HDMI and DVI, some graphics cards have full display (including bootup display) with HDMI, DVI, and S-Video and partially full display (displaying only after the OS boots up) with component and composite. So in this case, S-Video works well, as it allows the user to see the display in the event that they need to adjust settings in the CMOS.

The situation with VCRs is a bit unusual: the common S-Video connector was designed for Super VHS and Hi8 VCRs as a high-bandwidth video connection and has been used for the same purpose on a great number of other consumer devices, coming into greatest prominence with the rise of the DVD format. Many digital (and all Hi-8 and S-VHS-C camcorders) support S-Video as well. Standard VHS VCRs do not put out a high enough resolution signal to saturate an S-Video connection, and therefore most such units (even those in combination units with DVD players, which commonly use S-Video or component outputs) require the output from the VHS deck to go through a composite video or RF connection.

In many European Union countries, S-Video is less common because of the dominance of SCART, which allows RGB quality and is required to be on every TV. It is not usual to find S-Video outputs on equipment such as DVD players, although the player may output S-Video over SCART, but the actual TV may not be compatible with S-Video signals and so would just show a black and white image[5]. In this case it is possible to modify the SCART adapter cable to make it work[6]. Games consoles usually do not output S-Video either due to the dominance of SCART and the better RGB quality, whilst in the US and other non SCART countries there is S-Video but no RGB. The Nintendo 64 however was an exception - NTSC models could output S-Video, but only with modification could they output RGB. PAL Nintendo 64 models could output S-Video but not RGB despite that being the easiest way to connect if done via SCART. There is however a German company that is able to modify PAL N64's to output true RGB [7] although this service is rather expensive compared to the way you can make an NTSC model output RGB.

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05/21/2010 1:51 AM

I have an Amstrad CTV 3021 N (Yes I know it is old, but why get rid of something just because of that?) My S-Video cable has only 4 pins, all of which I believe are dedicated to video. Put it this way, with the S-video only plugged in, there is no sound. I have the s video to composite lead somewhere around, I will try that next.

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05/20/2010 4:51 PM

http://www.svideo.com/compaq1700.html

it looks like you may need a converter

take a look at this

http://www.svideo.com/sv3rca.html

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05/21/2010 2:47 AM

Interesting, it all works fine when plugged in via s-video and using some external speakers rather than the televisons. Do you think the problem could be that I need a shielded cable?

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05/21/2010 3:11 AM

I think there is a problem with the way the sockets are configured as it is an old tv.

the previous links suggest using the composite signal approach and not using the s-video.

have you tried that yet ?

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05/21/2010 3:34 AM

The S-Video is going through a svideo to scart adaptor if that helps. I haven't tried the composite approach yet, as I need to buy the wire to do it first. The card has DVI VGA and Svideo outputs.

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05/21/2010 3:50 AM

Its not your fault as such but most of the people who post questions on here never give all the information to help us diagnose the problems, Its like trying to get blood out of a stone to get the information somtimes.

Ah you didnt say the lead went to a scart.

Is the scart on the tv ?

You need to get a composite cable or you could use a short lenth of phono cable

one for audio left one for audio right one for composite

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05/21/2010 3:55 AM

the above is phono for sound and composite video the cut and paste didnt work on the last comment for some reason

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05/21/2010 4:13 AM

The scart is plugged into the VCR, which is then connected to the telly via the aerial cable. Before, I had the scart plugged directly into the telly, but the colour was worse.

The Audio was connected via a 3.5mm to phono lead. The phono lead was then connected into the svideo scart adaptor too. Now, the speakers are independant as this doesn't cause the distortions on the tv screen

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05/21/2010 4:22 AM

it could be the scart adapter is causing the problems then.

i have a couple of scart adapters and one of them is one only.

the other has a switch on it to switch to out or in.

so from what youve said am i right in thinking you have a s video cable coming out of the computer into the scart adapter and from there video is being sent to the vcr via the scart and audio via the phono and 3.5 mm jack plug.

and when you first tried it you had the scart lead plugged into the back of the tv, So sound and video where going via scart ?

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05/21/2010 9:10 AM

Yes, that was right, until I changed the audio to go via external speakers. Originally, I had the scart lead plugged into the back of the tv, so sound and video were going by scart, and worked except for the screen buzzing.

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05/21/2010 9:32 AM

then its the scart adapter does it say anywhere on the adapter in or out.

as i said before i have some scart adapters that are one way only you could still plug them in but they are wired differently inside.

and i have one that you can switch in or out

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05/21/2010 9:37 AM

It is a switched plug. The switch on it would also switch the s-video, right?

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05/21/2010 9:42 AM

i think so.

turn it all on set it going so the picture is distorted and try moving the switch.

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05/21/2010 12:43 PM

I tried it, and when you switch the switch, nothing appears on the screen.

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05/21/2010 12:54 PM

when you say nothing do you mean the picture goes, or do you mean nothing happens ?

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05/21/2010 12:59 PM

The screen goes blank, so the switch box is going the right way already.

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05/21/2010 4:27 AM

BEST SHIELDED, But the problem is the sync of the video converter of the television. Your experiment is the proof of it. In the old days we said.... your sound sits in your image.

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