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Electric Motor - 40hp / 4 pole / 3 phase

05/28/2010 6:49 AM

I have rewound a 40hp 4pole 3phase motor. The no-load current is 6amp on Star and 35amps on Delta. I think something wrong as the delta current is on the higher side. Can i rewind it again by using HALF size smaller wire and increase by two turns turns??Your help will be very much appricated. Thanks

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Re: Electric Motor - 40hp / 4 pole / 3 phase

05/28/2010 1:32 PM

Something it wrong with your math or your typing.

40HP and you think 35A is too high?

40HP @ 460V should be around 52A

40HP @ 575V should be around 41A

Are you at 1000V or something?

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05/28/2010 3:56 PM

The voltage is 420;

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05/29/2010 6:55 AM

He said NO LOAD current ! (it is high!)

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05/28/2010 11:08 PM

40 HP is rated load. No load current should be less than full load. If you are in to rewinding motors I expect that you CAN rewind it again using half size smaller wire an two more turns turns!!

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05/29/2010 6:59 AM

Why doesn't he stick to the original wire size that came with the motor in the 1st place? Obviously, he must be repairing the winding after a damage!?

Changing the wire size will affect the performance of the motor to differ from the original rating: Unless he wants to change the Motor's rating...

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05/29/2010 11:07 AM

CAN is not the same as SHOULD. I answered the question AND you are correct.

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05/29/2010 12:08 AM

What is your winding configuration and voltages applied? Are you using series and parallel configuration? or what?

You cannot use 420V in delta from star if you have only 3 windings.

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05/29/2010 7:01 AM

Why not!

If the ends of the 3 phase windings are brought out, you will have 6 ends and 3 windings (Schematic), which will allow Star Delta.

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05/29/2010 11:35 AM

Why not!

Because 420V star if conected as 420V delta will burnout the wndings, unless he has split phases wich can be configured in series or parallel, which was why I asked the question.

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05/29/2010 7:10 AM

Check that you have rewound it correctly with the same wire size and same number of turns that were there originally. Also, the direction of the winding(coiling directions) since this is a 4 poles, each phase has 4 coils wound alternatively (direction of coiling changes...), therefore, you have 12 coils.

If you make any mistake in the direction of the coils, you will have anomalies in the current (performance) of the motor. Anomalies are not only due to the size of wires etc.

I presume that you have some experience in rewinding electric motors, therefore you should know most of the above, unless this is the 1st time.

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05/29/2010 7:32 AM

Thank you for the response. Actually i rewound the same way as it was but the motor had been reewound previously by someone else. That is why i think the windings were not right. It is 12sets 2 coils per slot, group of 4 coils, 48slots.

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05/30/2010 8:23 AM

first thing to do

please give following information

  • stator length (mm)
  • rotor outside diameter (mm)
  • number slots (48 ?)
  • two layer winding (2 coils per slot)
  • actual wire diameter, number of wires parallel, number of groups parallel
  • copper wire or aluminium wire ?
  • coil span (1 - 13 and 4 coils in series per group ?)
  • actual number of turns per coil

motor nameplate data

  • voltage 420 (is this 420Delta or 420 star or is this a double voltage motor 210/420V ?)
  • current at full load
  • frequency 50 or 60 Hz
  • cos fi
  • if possible efficiency

second thing to do

calculate the full load current per square mm copper surface. This should be 6 till 8 A/mm2.

if not correct, winding data will be corrupted.

connect the motor to a variable 3 phase voltage and adjust the voltage that the no load current will be 30-40% of full load voltage. In this case you have an idea for what voltage the actual winding is.

(A variable voltage you get from a three phase variac or step down transformer)

Take a look at the rotor. Are the rotor bars in good shape ? no loose rotor bars ?

Did someone put the rotor an a lathe and changed the outside diameter ?

Give us the actual winding data and we will check these against similar winding data.

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05/30/2010 8:55 AM

Thanks v much, i will post the details soon. The span is 1-11 group of 4.

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