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Back Charging The Switchyard

06/02/2010 8:28 AM

Can anyone explain me the procedures for Back Charging the Switchyard in the power plant?

I want the procedure format for back charging of switchyard (it is 400kV switchyard with two line feeder), 600MW power plant.

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06/02/2010 12:04 PM

A 400kV switchyard fed by a 600 mega-watt is nowhere for an amateur to work. You should not be asking anyone here for this kind of information. You should either be consulting the site schematics, the engineering staff about the specifics of this switchyard or your textbook and professor for a clarification on your homework.

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06/03/2010 11:26 AM

redfred, you are a bigoted snob.

There are many places in the world outside of your little haven of civilization and smog. Many of them do not have access to engineering staff or professors. Like America in the 1800's, the people on site have to figure things out for themselves. In this case, at least raj is asking for advice rather than just trying something out of hand.

I've been many places where one inexperienced engineer, just out of school, is the only technical support for a major installation. There is simply no money to hire experienced professionals. The government contracts with a (usually foreign) firm to design & build the facility, but not to run or maintain it. Without that lone "amateur", thousands of people would have no electricity at all. Is that your preference?

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06/03/2010 12:14 PM

I notice that you've not answered the question either. Your opinion of my elitism is not relevant to raj's problem. You can think anything you want of me you sniveling coward that hides under the anonymous title of guest.

I'm certain that if raj provides some relevant information here that shows that he understands the complications of operating the switchyard and which procedures should be done first, second etc. Then I or somebody more qualified than me in switchyard operations will help him. But with the tiny amount of information given and the time of the year, this sounds much more like a student at the end of a semester trying to cram for a final exam that he dreads. I will not support or encourage somebody that unqualified to work in a high power switchyard in any part of this planet.

Frankly, I hope that raj is an electrical engineering student asking an insightful question before he's qualified to be at a switchyard. In this scenario, raj should keep this question in mind and ask one of his professors outside of class what the likely procedures will be. But the actual procedure should be part of the on site documentation fabricated by the engineers who designed the switchyard. If instead raj is as you imply an on site newbie engineer that has no documentation or idea how to proceed then raj and others around him may die.

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06/03/2010 3:22 PM

Fully correct.

I don't know what idiot voted you "Off Topic" (probably the same idiot who asked the original question!), but I have given you a GA, so you are back to zero at least!

Well done.

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06/03/2010 12:13 PM

Raj,

There's no way to provide the information you want without more detail on the layout of the plant and switchyard. For example, are the feeders connected by breaker, air switch or both? Do the feeders connect to a common bus, ring bus, breaker and a half scheme, or other design? Is there one 600MW generator, or multiple smaller units? What is the source for plant service power? Is there one step-up transformer or one for each of the multiple generators?

There's simply no way to give any reasonably accurate advice without that type of information. Most of these questions could be answered by a single-line diagram of the switchyard. Please provide any detail you can and we'll try to go from there.

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06/03/2010 10:09 PM

Redfred and Pwr2thepeople, I agree with you that a 400kV switchyard is no place for an amateur or newbie to cut their teeth on substation commissioning. However, a good general list of tasks to be completed by whoever does the commissioning can be developed. If Raj is responsible for putting together a spec for the commissioning prior to backfeeding (I'm pretty sure that's what he means by back charging) the station from the utility source, then the following is needed at a minimum:

1. Verify all structures, buses, conductors, insulators, and electrical apparatus are installed according to the design drawings. Review the drawings in detail to look for inconsistencies in phasing, equipment orientation on foundations, interferences in positioning, etc.

2. Verify all minimum electrical clearance distances are met (phase to ground and phase to phase) so that no energized parts are too close to personnel, vehicles, the earth and earthed parts, or each other.

3. Inspect all apparatus to assure that they are in acceptable physical condition (no damage, deterioration, contamination) and installed properly. Test each piece of apparatus per manufacturer's instructions and industry specifications. Highly recommended as a guide: the InterNational Electrical Testing Association's Acceptance Testing Specification. Typical tests may include DC insulation resistance ("megger"), hipot, insulation power factor / Tan-delta, contact resistance, winding resistance, etc., depending on the piece of equipment.

4. Test the resistance of the station ground grid to remote earth, and continuity of the grid to all attached equipment grounds.

5. Sample the oil in any oil-filled equipment (transformers, circuit breakers, etc.) and analyze. At minimum, test its dielectric, moisture content, acidity, interfacial tension, and dissolved combustible gases. Sample the SF6 gas in any gas-insulated equipment for moisture.

6. Test the ratios of all CTs and VTs used for protection, control, and instrumentation. Check saturation of CTs and compare to manufacturer's curves. Verify that any multi-ratio CTs and multi-tapped VTs are connected at the correct taps per the drawings and relay coordination study.

7. Verify (point to point) ALL the control and instrumentation wiring (secondary wiring). This is best done by injecting a small current into CT circuits one circuit at a time, and tracing it through each device against the schematics using a multimeter and a current probe. VT circuits can be traced similarly by applying a low voltage and tracing with a multimeter. Verify proper polarity of voltage and current connections to each device's inputs.

8. Check and calibrate all meters using calibrated voltage and/or current sources.

9. Set and/or program all protective relays according to the relay coordination study. Inject secondary currents and/or voltages to simulate tripping points per the study, and verify proper relay operation.

10. Test the station battery bank and charger to verify proper DC voltage and capacity.

11. With the station still de-energized, using the various protection and control devices (control switches, protective relays, auxiliary contacts, etc.), perform functional tests of each control circuit on the schematics to verify that they all operate properly: All close controls close the associated apparatus, all blocking contact do actually block operation, all trip contacts and controls trip the breakers, etc.

12. Only now, after ALL of the station has been tested and verified to operate properly de-energized, are you ready to consider starting to back-feed from the utility connection into the station. All breakers and switches should be open, all controls in proper state, all relays energized and programmed. Then, step-by-step, start closing switches and breakers from the incoming switch into the station, and verify at each step (using metering, relay displays, etc.) that all measured values are correct. If all the testing has been done diligently, and the installation has been done properly, your station should work.

This does not consider any SCADA, communications, or remote control & instrumentation. Those are additional areas to be tested and verified. Preparing the generator(s) and their associated circuit breakers, CTs, VTs, step-up transformer(s), etc., for energization is done similarly, with the ultimate goal to synchronize the generator with the utility source at the substation.

Be careful! Poor attention to detail on any of the above can damage or destroy some very expensive equipment. That is why doing this properly is so crucial.

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06/04/2010 9:47 PM

Nice response...

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06/04/2010 9:53 AM

A fair amount has been said on this issue. I will add one other thing... not only does this issue effect the switch yard in question, but it can effect the up stream station also. Ensure coordination with that station is in place as well.

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