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Problem with Bridge rectifiRr of Motor Brake

06/04/2010 1:04 AM

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I have a three phase 380V motor in a machine which has a 205Vdc 25W brake. 230VAC comes through the auxiliary contact of motor contactor in motor junction box and converts to DC via bridge rectifire and then to brake coil. The bridge malfunctioned after 1 to 2 months. One month before, I connected a "Free Wheeling Diode" across the brake coil but now, again the bridge malfunctioned. I could not understand why it has been happening. This is a normal case and we connected "Free Wheeling Diode" at many places and found no problem but here we stuck.

Please help me out.

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Re: Problem with Bridge rectifier of motor brake.

06/04/2010 1:30 AM

The pdf at this site may help:

http://www.weg.net/files/products/1-410.pdf

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Re: Problem with Bridge rectifiRr of Motor Brake

06/04/2010 9:23 AM

Have had similar problems. Ended up being caused by voltage drop. When utility voltage sagged due to consumption at peak periods, plant power dropped just enough that voltage delivered to the load, meaning the rectifier, was a little to low. We up sized the conductors feeding the rectifier and problem went away.

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Re: Problem with Bridge rectifiRr of Motor Brake

06/04/2010 12:41 PM

Normally, a bridge rectifier acts as its own free wheeling diode and a separate diode is unnecessary. I'll assume that your bridge rectifier is damaged and needs to be replaced. There are three basic causes for rectifier damage:

1) Excessive reverse voltage
2) Excessive forward current
3) Excessive junction temperature

230 [Vac] bridge rectified is 325 [Vdc-peak]. Higher spike/transient voltages are likely to occur.
Is the bridge rectifier reverse voltage rating high enough?
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Do you have a properly rated varistor installed to clamp and absorb excessive voltage spikes?

25 [W] / 205 [Vdc] = 0.122 [Adc]
Rcoil = 1681 [ohms]

230 [Vrms] / 1681 [ohms] = 0.137 [Arms]
230 [Vrms] * 0.137 [Arms] = 31.5 [w]

Bridge rectifier current seems to be a little higher than expected. Is the bridge rectifier current rating high enough?

Coil power dissipation seems to be higher than nominal rating. Are both the coil and the rectifier sufficiently cooled to prevent thermal (overheating) damage?

If the coil is running hotter than normal, internal winding insulation may have degraded allowing an intermittent winding short. The excess current from this fault could easily damage the bridge rectifier. Have you tested the coil for proper resistance at room temperature AND at the higher operating temperatures?

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Re: Problem with Bridge rectifiRr of Motor Brake

06/05/2010 4:03 AM

Thanks in interesting my problem.

1) Bridge rectifier reverse voltage is 600V.

2) There is no varister connected aspect a free wheeling diode. (Do I remove it now?)

3) The rating of Bridge rectifier is 10A.

4) The operation of motor is momentarily as it is for the sealing head of Signode bundle tying machine.

5) I tested the coil resistance at room temperature, did not test at high temperature.

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06/05/2010 4:43 AM

The freewheel diode needs to be there if the brake coil current is switched on and off AFTER the bridge. However, the diode causes a long delay in the drop-off time of the brake, due to the inherently large time constant of such an iron-cored solenoid. Perhaps this will give you some more help, in addition to the excellent help given by others...

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06/05/2010 5:43 AM

you have to connect varistors at the ac and at de dc side of the rectifier.

please use rectifier with reverse voltage equals 1000 or 1200 volt

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06/05/2010 12:30 PM

1) 600V rating should be adequate, but

2) you must protect against high voltage spikes with a suitable varistor. I believe over-voltage spikes are the main reason for your bridge failure. A free-wheeling diode does not protect against positive voltage transients, only the negative inductive spike from the -Ldi/dt.

3) Current rating is very conservative and over-current damage is highly unlikely.

4) When properly configured/protected, frequent cycling should NOT cause premature failure.

5) With the new information, I believe coil damage is unlikely.

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Focus on getting varistor protection for the bridge.

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On/Off control switch before bridge (1) allows bridge to act as its own freewheeling diode and extra freewheeling diode is unnecessary.

On/Off control switch after bridge (2) may NEED added freewheel diode to protect the SWITCH from inductive voltage spikes.

Varistor after bridge protects bridge from voltage transients.

AC side varistor should not be needed due to action of diode bridge.

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06/05/2010 12:39 PM

GA to you, mjb(i forgot the numbers). Crude? i beg to disagree. This is how Tesla invented AC

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06/05/2010 12:17 PM

Another detail that can damage the bridge, is if the pressure plate has restricted movement (cannot contact the coil armature due to dirt or binding) the impedance will rise as will current.

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06/05/2010 12:24 PM

Sorry to contradict....this is a DC brake. No impedance. Current = V/R. Only the rise time of the current will be faster, since, time constant (L/R) with an open armature will be lower than when the armature is fully closed.

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06/05/2010 12:30 PM

I stand corrected!

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06/05/2010 12:37 PM

That is what i call "Amazing grace" Thank you my friend, i wish there were more like you.

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06/05/2010 3:17 PM

Correction ... This is DC current and not AC. Even though there is a ripple in the rectified current, the coil resistance remains the same (no reluctance here) except increase with temperature (small increase). the current remains the same....

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