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Need to Track HVAC Operation on My PC

06/04/2010 11:24 PM

I just want to keep a record of when the A/C is on and off. I can provide a contact closure to indicate the status. How do I get that into my PC and what software would make a timeline?

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Re: need to track HVAC operation on my PC

06/04/2010 11:50 PM

Probably a little overkill for your application, but these are awesome little dataloggers for about $25.

http://www.dataq.com/products/startkit/di148.htm

NO, I don't work for them. But I have used their starter kits for home projects and several of the high-end products for work (electronic product R&D and testing).

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06/05/2010 6:49 PM

Outstanding! Multiple I/O's, USB, software, cables, and only $25. I can track our utility power (they ignore me about brownouts and blackouts) and other stuff. Thanks for reply. Is CR4 great or what?

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06/06/2010 1:20 AM

That's indeed an awesome datalogger for $25. Dataq's $50 and $99 versions are pretty awesome as well. You get a simple version of their software for free, the more complex version costs an additional $194 with a bundle. Well, and good, but there are two issues.

First, SFAICT, looking through the detailed manual, the software does not have event timestamp logging. That is, instead of recording hundreds of thousands of perhaps fractional-second data points, you really want just one bit of information, namely is my HVAC on or off? You really want two data points: a time stamp for ON and another for OFF. In principle they could have that as a software option, but I don't see that they have done so. They do have an event marker, which means if you close a switch, push a button, etc, that's marked in the data stream. This is so you can go back later and find a certain spot in the mass of samples. It's certainly not a pure time-stamp mode, so far as I can see.

Second, they detail various kinds of input connections, but they don't show you how to monitor whether AC power is ON or OFF. You really don't want to start digitizing 120V or 240V 60Hz AC sine waves, do you? No. One industry solution to this issue is found in little "AC-input" modules that contain an optically-isolated logic output telling you that AC power is present (you feed this logic signal to one of the logic inputs on the datalogger). For example, Crydom's M-IAC5 or Tyco's IAC-5 modules, which cost $15 at Mouser. Omron's G3TC-IAC5 costs $12. These are all for meant for 120V, Omron's IAC5A version is meant for 240V.

But this may not be the most desirable approach, because it means you have to go into the HVAC and find a spot to tap onto the AC power. Ouch. Another approach is to place a CT around one of the AC leads (one wire only) and detect high current flow, to know the HVAC is on. Looking for an easy, don't-build-any-fancy-electronics approach to this, one could use a higher-than usual CT load resistor, and feed its signal to a low-voltage "AC-input" module. Omron's G3TC-IDC5 is rated for 10 to 32 volts AC input.

Finally, one last approach, I'm reminded of an old Ben and Jerry column I read as a kid in Popular Electronics. It was a great story, and I won't take the time to tell it here, but the bottom line was that the winning solution to the problem was a vane to detect a gust of wind. In your case it would detect wind from the HVAC blower, and close a microswitch. Voila!

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06/06/2010 9:51 AM

In past experiments, I've "triggered" data capture at a slow rate (0.1-10 Hz) based on voltage threshold settings. This created a new data file each time a trigger condition was satisfied. The file-names were automatically created & incremented. Each event file had date and time of creation. Event rates and Sample rates were low, so file size and number of files were never excessive.

LINE VOLTAGE ISOLATION IS CRITICAL FOR SAFETY!

For generic line voltage monitoring, I would use a small AC transformer, bridge rectifier, filter cap, and one or two resistors.

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120/240 Vac primary, 6.3 Vac secondary, 200mA, transformer
(4) 1N4001 diodes (almost any diodes or a prepackaged bridge should work fine)
47 uF , 15 V , capacitor
1 kΩ pot or equivalent (390 Ω and 470 Ω)

see crude sketch below for basic concept...



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06/06/2010 11:29 AM

Yes, thanks for the drawings. Dare I comment, that's a lot of work in place of the "AC-input" modules that I mentioned (they have the ac-bridge-driven rectifier-opto stage and a 15ms time constant with Schmitt trigger all included)?

BTW, as a "design and build rather than buy" type of guy, ready to hook up to the AC line, you might prefer buying a raw ac-opto element, e.g., an LTV-8141, SFH6286 or PC364N, for about 50 cents, and taking it from there. :-)

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06/06/2010 1:34 PM

I typically have the sketched items overflowing my "parts" bin, so cost and assembly effort are trivial (for me). The circuit shown may not be so easy to build for those unfamiliar with electronics projects.

I interpreted the OPs comment about detecting brownouts and power outages as a request for a linear signal proportional to the line voltage. Maybe I was overestimating requirements.

If brownout depth/duration values are not important, then Opto isolators(or modules) would work fine for line or A/C On-Off detection. While some can also be used in a linear mode, that usually takes a little more effort.

Many ways to accomplish the OPs task. Just not enough pay to list them all

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06/06/2010 2:05 PM

This is almost spooky; I sketched this circuit in bed last night:

..and the optoisolators are a great idea, too. Where would this world be without engineers? Thanks, guys.

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06/06/2010 1:45 PM

> old Ben and Jerry column I read as a kid in Popular Electronics

Awwe, sheesh! Of course that was Carl and Jerry, not Ben and Jerry!

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06/06/2010 6:04 PM

No need to connect to the compressor power directly.Use the 24 volts from the thermostat wiring(green wire) to determine on or off state of compressor.You can use a relay to isolate this from the input of the data logger, and run the + from the logger thru the contacts of the isolation relay.An optoisolater circuit can be used instead, if you are electronically inclined.

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06/05/2010 2:14 AM

I don't know if this will help, but the LabView way of doing things (search on it) seems to be oriented toward interfacing with a PC. There probably are I/O devices (contact closure, 4-20 ma loop signals, etc.) that can transmit on computer-friendly protocols such as USB and Ethernet. I have done bit-banging stuff like this in the past, but not recently, and thus I am out of date on some options that might work best for you.

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Re: Need to Track HVAC Operation on My PC

06/06/2010 1:57 PM

May I remind the present generation that we used to "read" the inputs on individual pins of parallel connectors on a standard PC - for output, very simple basic program statements can write words to a parallel port. A simple programs parses the input word periodically, can create graph or data file by following one or more pins. Cheap for relay logic setups. Parallel port cards are still available. =>Enginer<=

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06/06/2010 7:05 PM

Parallel connectors?! You mean instead of perpendicular ones?

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Re: Need to Track HVAC Operation on My PC

06/07/2010 8:42 AM

I had a similar problem on Windover Way in Titusville FL. My mother inlaw (blind) lives there and has complained loudly about tripping breakers and odd sounds and poor performance from her AC especially if she is using her oven. I pulled the face of the panel and checked tightmess on the AC connectors and all was well. Her nieghbors has issues too. I called the power company and offered to pay to have the transformer checked. They sent out a man the next day. They spent the next few days working on transformers in the area. It seems a corrosion problem at the tramsformer was to blame. The power company was courteous, quick, smart about the approach and, very effective. No more problems after that.

I am buying some of the stuff that has been cited here to track other things at my house. These people have given you excellent advice.

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