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Question on Material for Steam Generator Tube

06/11/2010 11:35 PM

Hi! I'm working on a biomass-fueled steam generator using a Doble-style single counterflow tube. At least part of the tube will need to withstand temps of 1100 F while "dry." and withstand at least 500 psi. The tube also needs to be formed into a three-layer coil, like hose on a reel, with baffles in between. Obviously copper won't cut it, and is expensive to boot. Any suggestions as to material? No reason to use a single material- could use a high-temp alloy in the zone with highest temps and thermal stress, and a cheaper material towards the "cold" end of the coil.

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Re: Question on Material for Steam Generator Tube

06/12/2010 11:06 AM

Here is a start: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/astm-steel-piping-tubing-d_469.html. This list gives several types of steel and stainless steel for high temperature service, but it doesn't mention actual allowable temperatures.

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06/12/2010 2:42 PM

Thanks!

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06/12/2010 12:29 PM

My advice is talk to your material supplier.

If Milo's around he'll know as much as anyone about the performance of metals and can advise you.

But, I suspect that he would tell you this, too.

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06/13/2010 10:27 PM

You are not allowed to use 300 series stainless but 200 series is ok for steam. I do not have the regulations in front of me but the ASTM boiler regulations lists the different alloys and where they are allowed to be used. Dave

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06/13/2010 10:51 PM

A213/A213M-01a looked promising; it mentioned superheater service.

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06/15/2010 4:39 PM

Thanks! To get good efficiency, I'll need to get the pressure & temperature of the steam as high as possible, and I want to make it as robust as possible also. If I spec the generator tube to handle the temperature and pressure when "dry" then it's not going to fail easily.

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06/16/2010 11:04 PM

I would seriously question the 1100degF when dry - I suggest that the flame temperature of biomass will be considerably higher than that & any steel material used should take that into consideration, then plus 10-25% just in case

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06/17/2010 6:43 PM

Thanks. I'm going to build the combustion chamber first and add the boiler tube to it later. That way I can nail down the exact operating temperature. The primary combustion chamber may get that hot, but there are no tubes in there. That will be steel with a castable refractory coating. The exhaust from the primary combustion chamber (gasifier) will be mixed with preheated air, and secondary combustion will take place. That's where the hot end of the tube will be. Normally it will have superheated steam in it for cooling, but just in case I want to make sure that a "dry" tube won't burn through.

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