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06/12/2010 6:07 AM

how will we calculate UNCERTAINTY

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06/12/2010 6:19 AM

I'm not sure ...

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06/12/2010 6:42 AM

Statistics? based on the confidence level.

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06/12/2010 8:06 AM

I think, on principle, you should contact Professor Heisenberg; or, maybe not.

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06/12/2010 8:12 AM

Copyright © Michael Richmond. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.

Examples of Uncertainty calculations


Uncertainty in a single measurement

Bob weighs himself on his bathroom scale. The smallest divisions on the scale are 1-pound marks, so the least count of the instrument is 1 pound.

Bob reads his weight as closest to the 142-pound mark. He knows his weight must be larger than 141.5 pounds (or else it would be closer to the 141-pound mark), but smaller than 142.5 pounds (or else it would be closer to the 143-pound mark). So Bob's weight must be weight = 142 +/- 0.5 pounds In general, the uncertainty in a single measurement from a single instrument is half the least count of the instrument.


Fractional and percentage uncertainty

What is the fractional uncertainty in Bob's weight? uncertainty in weight fractional uncertainty = ------------------------ value for weight 0.5 pounds = ------------- = 0.0035 142 pounds

What is the uncertainty in Bob's weight, expressed as a percentage of his weight? uncertainty in weight percentage uncertainty = ----------------------- * 100% value for weight 0.5 pounds = ------------ * 100% = 0.35% 142 pounds


Combining uncertainties in several quantities

When one combines several measurements together, one can often determine the fractional (or percentage) uncertainty in the final result simply by combining the uncertainties in the several quantities.

Jane needs to calculate the volume of her pool, so that she knows how much water she'll need to fill it. She measures the length, width, and height: length L = 5.56 +/- 0.14 meters = 5.56 m +/- 2.5% width W = 3.12 +/- 0.08 meters = 3.12 m +/- 2.6% depth D = 2.94 +/- 0.11 meters = 2.94 m +/- 3.7%

To calculate the volume, she multiplies together the length, width and depth: volume = L * W * D = (5.56 m) * (3.12 m) * (2.94 m) = 51.00 m^3

In this situation, since each measurement enters the calculation as a multiple to the first power (not squared or cubed), one can find the percentage uncertainty in the result by adding together the percentage uncertainties in each individual measurement: percentage uncertainty in volume = (percentage uncertainty in L) + (percentage uncertainty in W) + (percentage uncertainty in D) = 2.5 % + 3.7% = 8.8%

Therefore, the uncertainty in the volume (expressed in cubic meters, rather than a percentage) is uncertainty in volume = (volume) * (percentage uncertainty in volume) = (55.00 m^3) * (8.8%) = 4.84 m^3

Therefore, volume = 55.00 +/- 4.84 m^3 = 55.00 m +/- 8.8%


Is one result consistent with another?

Jane's measurements of her pool's volume yield the result volume = 55.00 +/- 4.84 m^3 When she asks her neighbor to guess the volume, he replies "52 cubic meters." Are the two estimates consistent with each other?

In order for two values to be consistent within the uncertainties, one should lie within the range of the other. Jane's measurements yield a range 55.00 - 4.83 m^3 < volume < 55.00 + 4.83 m^3 50.17 m^3 < volume < 59.83 m^3

The neighbor's value of 52 cubic meters lies within this range, so Jane's estimate and her neighbor's are consistent within the estimated uncertainty.


What if there are several measurements of the same quantity?

Joe is making banana cream pie. The recipe calls for exactly 16 ounces of mashed banana. Joe mashes three bananas, then puts the bowl of pulp onto a scale. After subtracting the weight of the bowl, he finds a value of 15.5 ounces.

Not satisified with this answer, he makes several more measurements, removing the bowl from the scale and replacing it between each measurement. Strangely enough, the values he reads from the scale are slightly different each time: 15.5, 16.4, 16.1, 15.9, 16.6 ounces

Joe can calculate the average weight of the bananas: 15.5 + 16.4 + 16.1 + 15.9 + 16.6 ounces average = ------------------------------------------- 5 = 80.4 ounces / 5 = 16.08 ounces

Now, Joe wants to know just how flaky his scale is. There are two ways he can describe the scatter in his measurements.

  • The mean deviation from the mean is the sum of the absolute values of the differences between each measurement and the average, divided by the number of measurements: 0.5 + 0.4 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.6 ounces mean dev from mean = -------------------------------------- 5 = 1.6 ounces / 5 = 0.32 ounces
  • The standard deviation from the mean is the square root of the sum of the squares of the differences between each measurement and the average, divided by one less than the number of measurements: [ (0.5)^2 + (0.4)^2 + (0.1)^2 + (0.1)^2 + 0.6)^2 ] stdev from mean = sqrt [ ----------------------------------------------- ] [ 5 - 1 ] [ 0.79 ounces^2 ] = sqrt [ -------------- ] [ 4 ] = 0.44 ounces

Either the mean deviation from the mean, or the standard deviation from the mean, gives a reasonable description of the scatter of data around its mean value.

Can Joe use his mashed banana to make the pie? Well, based on his measurements, he estimates that the true weight of his bowlful is (using mean deviation from the mean) 16.08 - 0.32 ounces < true weight < 16.08 + 0.32 ounces 15.76 ounces < true weight < 16.40 ounces The recipe's requirement of 16.0 ounces falls within this range, so Joe is justified in using his bowlful to make the recipe.


How can one estimate the uncertainty of a slope on a graph?

If one has more than a few points on a graph, one should calculate the uncertainty in the slope as follows. In the picture below, the data points are shown by small, filled, black circles; each datum has error bars to indicate the uncertainty in each measurement. It appears that current is measured to +/- 2.5 milliamps, and voltage to about +/- 0.1 volts. The hollow triangles represent points used to calculate slopes. Notice how I picked points near the ends of the lines to calculate the slopes!

  1. Draw the "best" line through all the points, taking into account the error bars. Measure the slope of this line.
  2. Draw the "min" line -- the one with as small a slope as you think reasonable (taking into account error bars), while still doing a fair job of representing all the data. Measure the slope of this line.
  3. Draw the "max" line -- the one with as large a slope as you think reasonable (taking into account error bars), while still doing a fair job of representing all the data. Measure the slope of this line.
  4. Calculate the uncertainty in the slope as one-half of the difference between max and min slopes.

In the example above, I find 147 mA - 107 mA mA "best" slope = ------------------ = 7.27 ---- 10 V - 4.5 V V 145 mA - 115 mA mA "min" slope = ------------------ = 5.45 ---- 10.5 V - 5.0 V V 152 mA - 106 mA mA "max" slope = ------------------ = 9.20 ---- 10 V - 5.0 V V mA Uncertainty in slope is 0.5 * (9.20 - 5.45) = 1.875 ---- V

There are at most two significant digits in the slope, based on the uncertainty. So, I would say the graph shows mA slope = 7.3 +/- 1.9 ---- V


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06/12/2010 8:50 AM

Thanks for all the info, but you reminded me of a question that's been festering in the back of me mind for a month or so. Do you know where the error bar settings are in Excel 2007? Bill and Melinda Gates perhaps ought to give a foundation grant to write Office help in plain English.

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06/12/2010 11:35 AM

Sorry, I'm uncertain where it is

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06/12/2010 1:16 PM

In 2003, you select a line - right click - "format data series..." & hit the "Error Bars" tab. Isn't it the same in 2007?

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06/12/2010 3:22 PM

Microsoft never leaves anything the same, except for refusing to put degrees as an option in Excel.

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Welcome back!

I've probably got too much time on my hands, but when people disappear on here, I can't help but wonder what happened to them.

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05/29/2012 7:32 AM

Hello,

Thanks for the timely reminder. I had been seriously ill last year, and about the time in the fall as I was starting to recover, my wife then fell ill, requiring me to care for her. She has now come through surgery well and is regaining strength and mobility. Yesterday I was sitting on the front porch, reflecting that I finally had a little time to start picking up some of the activities I like to do but which I had to drop. This forum popped in mind, and I meant to look at the new messages this week to see where to pick up. Lo and behold, your post was spot on.

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05/29/2012 8:59 AM

Glad to hear you're on the mend. Picking up is always easy here. Same ole combination of BS and good information.

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06/12/2010 9:48 AM

Are you sure about that?

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Certainly not

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06/12/2010 10:36 AM

uncertainty = u x n x c x e x r x t x a x i x n x t x y = un2cert2aiy.

There, uncertainty calculated.

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06/12/2010 9:14 PM

Cogito ergo sum....er....Dubito ergo cogito ergo sum

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06/14/2010 8:59 AM

I believe that this thread is a complete waste of time.....but I am not sure

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