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Nukes to Stop Oil Leak?

06/30/2010 7:07 AM

I made a post earlier regarding melting the leak closed. Apparently it's being seriously considered, using, what I'm assuming is a controlled nuclear reaction, as opposed to a bomb. I heard on the radio yesterday that this idea came from the Russians, who supposedly used this technique successfully in the 1970's. Is there any credence to this or are they trying to get us to blow ourselves up?

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06/30/2010 7:14 AM

I just found this, just keeps getting scarier.

http://www.ngoilgas.com/news/a-nuke-to-stop-the-gulf-oil-spill/.

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06/30/2010 7:50 AM

It is true. Russia did this five different times and succeeded four times, so, 80%.

I would be interested to know what happens when it fails and just how much worse it makes the problem.

I am sure that doing that would violate all kinds of treaties, too.

Given it took the government 72 days just to finally accept international help I am not very confident that things will move very fast in that direction if the plan was given the go ahead.

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06/30/2010 8:06 AM

I wonder what, if any, impact it would have on this method with the leak sitting under a mile + of water. The site I posted above has a pretty compelling video of this method working perfectly, and it is indeed a full blown explosion, not a meltdown. I sure would like to be a fly on the wall, listening to the experts discussing the possible consequences of failure.

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06/30/2010 8:11 AM

If it failed once out of five attempts, that qualifies as imperfect, not perfect.

I think the premise is to detonate the device many, many thousands of feet below the ocean floor.

Detonation at the sea bed floor would just create a tsunami, which would mean that someone really has it in for New Orleans.

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06/30/2010 8:21 AM

Yes, I think you're right. The device would have to be inserted into one of the relief wells, or somewhere similar.

It's quite possible a non-nuclear explosive would also do the same thing.

I can't comment on the consequences of a failure (Let's be generous and say only a 0.10 possibility), but there might well be no "Plan B" following a massive fracturing of the deep rock.

Right now we have a massive disaster. We should not rush to turn it into an absolute catastrophe. The relief wells may be completed within three to four weeks. Let's wait till we can try those, and put all our effort into containment.

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06/30/2010 8:45 AM

I agree, it's hard to tell with the limited information that's being released, but it seems as if, with this prospect coming up, that they may have doubts as to whether the relief wells will be effective. I think you're right that they follow through with them. The possible consequences of a failed nuclear attempt are almost too terrifying to contemplate.

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06/30/2010 8:24 AM

I think you misread my post, that method as depicted within the video, on one specific leak, worked perfectly. And yes it is deep underground, alongside the well.

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06/30/2010 12:50 PM

I agree that one instance worked. I was just concerned that there was one attempt that failed. I really don't know the circumstances of that failure or its causes, so it it is hard to say what measure of success we would have in this case.

There are just so many variables.

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07/01/2010 3:49 AM

It happened 20 some years ago and the fire is still burning out of control...

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07/01/2010 9:12 AM

Actually bwire, this was a different accident altogether. The soviets really weren't very good oilmen, they tended to screw up a LOT, actually much like BP, and for similar reasons, BP used to be a governmental entity and they could basically get away with murder because their sponsors in the government protected them from retribution, and that mentality still exists, and the Soviets had very little conscience about what they did and who they did it to.

In this case, they drilled into a (relatively) shallow salt dome that collapsed creating a sink-hole, swallowing the entire rig in the process. The dome was full of sour (H2S) gas which was heavier than air but they didn't want to let the gas settle into the town and suffocate anyone in their sleep so they ignited it to prevent that.

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07/01/2010 9:40 PM

I know but I couldn't pass on the correlation.

But think of the future if we could capture oil as it rises or at the surface everyone gets a straw!

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06/30/2010 9:53 AM

When the nice people at horizon deep well contacted me regarding my idea they sent a reply that contained all the ideas that have been suggested and the nuke was one of them but it has been dismissed

The idea from the Russians i believe didn't work for the Russians

the russians tried it a few times but it didnt work.

I would think it would make it worse

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06/30/2010 1:04 PM

One of the things being floated that I've heard mention of, is that if they decide to go with the nuclear option, BP would no longer be in the picture in any substantial way and the Gov't would assume all control of the project. God help us all if this scenario plays out.

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06/30/2010 1:49 PM

Well if there is cracks in the sea bed and they use a nuke i think we can safely asume the sea bed will be no more.

Over the last few days while they were trying to seal a pipe there was an explosion, anyone any idea what caused that ?

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06/30/2010 11:13 PM

This is NOT being seriously considered, the Russian tests only worked for a short time before they began venting again anyway. ALL underground nuclear explosion cavities vent eventually. And there is no impermeable bedrock to set this nuke off under anyway. it is all sandstone and shale for the most part which is too friable.

Ex-President Clinton made a statement to the effect that if the government were to take over the well control operations they might as well have the Navy nuke it because they don't have any technology or know-how to accomplish the task. They wouldn't know how to cap a well if their lives depended on it.

I've written a great deal about this already:

Why nuking the blowout is a very bad idea

Why the Macondo BOP failure was a good thing.

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07/02/2010 12:18 AM

I hope you're right. But, in my experience, just because it's a bad idea, doesn't always mean they won't attempt it.

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07/02/2010 8:43 AM

Please note, that when multiple solutions are tried for anything, it is always the bad solutions that are tried first.

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07/02/2010 8:56 AM

logically that makes sense, after all if they were good solutions, you wouldn't need to try something else.

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07/02/2010 11:33 AM

Some people still just don't stop. ;-)

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07/01/2010 12:58 AM

What would Red Adair do?

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Roll over in his grave if he were reading this.

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07/01/2010 1:01 AM

A lot more really dumb ideas out there than good ideas. This is one of the really - really - really dumb ones.

The Russians tried it long back under very different circumstances and it didn't work.

The nuke concept has been mentioned off and on every since a few days after the blowout - I expect that the BP secretaries are getting tired of deleting it.

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07/01/2010 1:55 AM

I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA !!!!!!!!!

Why don't we crash a "Mars Climate Orbiter" into the well.

If anyone responds, please try not to be too negative, after all they laughed at Tesla, and the Wright brothers.

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07/01/2010 3:44 AM

Ok, shoot me down if I'm sounding a little dim, but is everyone maybe looking at the most complicated solutions?

Without knowing the exact composition and landscape of the sea bed this is just an idea.

If the pipe that was originally drilled into the seabed were to be removed at sea floor level why can't they put something similar to a diving bell over it, if the bottom of the diving bell had an inflatable skirt on it that would take up any deviations in the sea floor, then anchor the bell to the sea floor to seal the bell to the sea floor. If the bell had an outlet pipe and pump at the top, surely they could just continue pumping the oil into vessels on the surface.

Sounds simple, but sometimes the simple answers are the best.

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07/01/2010 3:46 AM

I should have added the bell could be quite a large diameter and of course the bottom would be open.

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07/01/2010 4:02 AM

Ok, I have just read in the posted article that they have already tried heavy domes, do they mean domes just to cap the spill completely or something to actually continue pumping the oil out into vessels? If they can attach pipes together to get the oil out in the first place then they could surely attach pipes to the bell as they lower it down over the spill, then start pumping as it gets over the spill near to the seabed.

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07/01/2010 4:10 AM

If the out flow is restricted the pressure will fracture the well bore then the immediate area may collapse under the weight of the BOP + the dome. Then what...?

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07/01/2010 4:20 AM

Surely if the oil was being pumped out at the same time as lowering the dome then there wouldn't be an increase in pressure?

Also, if they were to drill down into the same layer of oil nearby wouldn't that take away some of the pressure off of the oil flow in the broken well?

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see comment #14.

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07/01/2010 7:36 AM

Found it at last, The list they sent me of the things they have tried or considered

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Alternative Technology Response Form

BP very much appreciates your consideration and help in providing suggestions to contain the source of flow and/or clean up the spill. To date, we have received a great number of submissions with each submission receiving individual consideration and priority based on merit and need.

Many submissions with similar content have been received multiple times. Such repetition will not affect judgments made by the expert reviewers, and can only serve to slow down the overall evaluation and notification process as well as defer attention from other potentially important ideas.

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Already Considered:

The following suggestion types have been received multiple times and have already been considered or are planned for field testing and deployment:

Actions designed to completely shut down flow from the well
Manipulations of the Blowout Preventer, to make it functional (already attempted)
Containment of the spill at the source (subsea) and collection on a vessel (ongoing already)
Drilling relief wells to intersect well casing and kill the offending well (ongoing)
Any sort of work involving the Well Riser (which is no longer connected)
Pumping into the well to "kill" the flow (already attempted)
Setting a new Blowout Preventer on top of the existing one (previously considered)
Subsea dispersant injection (ongoing)
Hydrate remediation (ongoing)
Open water skimming (ongoing)
Dispersant application by plane or ship (ongoing)
In-situ burning (ongoing)
Placing booms to corral oil on the water surface (ongoing)

Not Possible / Not Feasible:

The following suggestion types have been studied and determined to be Not Feasible or Not Possible:

Freezing the Blowout Preventer or wellhead
Insertion of balloons, bladders, stents or plugs into the riser
Use of explosives, including nuclear
Dumping of boulders, concrete, sand or debris to bury the wellhead
Large subsea collection canopies made of fabric, plastic or other material
Use of lightweight materials subsea
Containers to collect oil which are shuttled back and forth to the surface
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Use of bioaugmentation agents not listed on the EPA approved product schedule

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07/01/2010 7:44 AM

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Calling all Thingiverse Citizens, MakerBot Operators, and Engineers around the world!

Fact: The Deepwater Horizon Unified Command (DHUC) is inviting alternative technology responses to stop the spill either at the spill or the source level.

Fact: The current oil spill in the Mexican Gulf is threatening or killing thousands of wildlife everyday.

Fact: Many Thingiverse citizens think of creative solutions to problems on a daily basis.

Junior Tan contacted me this last week. He had put together an idea for plugging up the oil flowing into the Gulf and he had submitted it to BP and didn't get a response. He emailed me willing to give $100 the person who could design something that might get a response with the hope that an idea from the Engineers of the world might just be the right thing to solve the problem. I told him that MakerBot would put in $100 as well and so the total is now $200 for someone who can get a response and, not even joking here, save the world.

This is a two week all-hands-on-deck-ideas-fest call to action! Let us instead focus our minds on saving the world.

We are offering a bounty of US$200 to the following:

1. The first person who actually gets a response from DHUC specifying interest and/or requesting more information, or
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- simplicity of solution (is it easy to build, deploy and maintain?)
- viability of solution (can the solution be feasible considering the high fluidic pressures, depth of the water column and the extreme low temperatures at depth?)

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The bounty here is a mix of volunteer pledges from Thingiverse citizens as well as Makerbot Industries. So even if you don't solve the problem of fixing the oil leak, you can throw down and pledge to throw more moolah in the pot to make things more interesting, drop a note in the comments and when it's all over, we'll send you the winner's paypal address and those pledges can be paypalled. Yes, you can still join the Call To Action, and qualify for the same bounty! We can't be sure everyone who pledges will pony up, but the $200 is real money!

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I have just been looking at all the ideas here, and thought of an idea of my own. BUT ! Its wether BP will take any notice, as ive read elsewhere that it will cost BP too much money to shut the pipe down. I dont pretend to even understand it, but my Idea is, to get a pipe-laying ship, raise the pipe to the surface, the boom that these ships have to lift the pipe, should be able to position the end of the pipe (thats leaking) over an open oil-tanker, surely that would enable the oil to be contained, and enable the engineers to sort the pipe out – on the surface.

  1. could carry oil to production vessels. This box would also have a relief valve to vent sudden pressure spikes, such as the methane spike which destroyed the drilling rig.
  2. Ideally, the oil production would match the well output, resulting in no movement of the oil in the gap between the canvas sleeve and the riser pipe. If the output exceeds the production, the gap flow will be downward, pushing the check doors open, and oil will be pushed out the bottom. At this point the bottom 25 foot of gap will be filled with oil. When the production exceeds the output, the gap flow will be upwards, closing the check doors. No seawater will enter because of the oil contained in the 25 foot section below the check doors. Hmmm… possible a ball check design would be better than door check, but you get the idea.
  3. I came across other efforts to design a solution for the oil spill at this website:
    https://forum.solidworks.com/message/163279#163279
    If anyone wants more information or to tune into the efforts of other people, its well worth the visit.
  4. Email: jahooper@cox.net SECTION A: Technical Approach:
    The Proposed Solution to "killing the well" is as follows:
    Input data:
    The Well flow rate is estimated at 1620gpm through the 21 inch riser.
    The velocity is calculated to be 1.5 ft/sec.
    Based on this information, the kill would be accomplished by flooding the well with 30mm depleted U238 projectiles (Specific gravity=19.1g/cm3; having a settling velocity in crude oil of over 8ft/sec) similar to those used by the A-10 Wart Hog aircraft Gatling gun. It will take approximately 2-3 million projectiles to fill the riser tube to a depth of 5000ft for complete "kill". The bottom pressure will not exceed 15,000 psi. The flow of oil will be directly proportional to amount of projectiles used. To date, no other similar technology has even been considered. The depleted U238 is the most common isotope of uranium found in nature. It is not fissile and cannot support a chain reaction because inelastic scattering reduces neutron energy below the range where fast fission is probable. The U238 is less radioactive the crude oil coming from the well.
    Around 99.284% of natural uranium is uranium-238, which has a half-life of 1.41 × 1017 seconds (4.468 × 109 years, or 4.468 billion years). Depleted uranium has an even higher concentration of the U-238 isotope, and even low-enriched uranium, while having a higher proportion of the uranium-235 isotope, is still mostly U-238. U238 is readily available from current DoD inventory (estimated at 480,000 metric tonnes) and production sources in the proper configuration and will result in a complete "bottom Kill" cutoff of the well. This cutoff will require about 1000 tonnes and will eliminate the oil flow or so reduce the oil flow and pressure as to then allow for the complete "top kill" using conventional cementing practices. These projectiles when dropped down the riser will assume a "free fall" configuration conducive to a positive well shutoff. SECTION B: Rough Order of Magnitude (ROM) Cost:
    The total cost will be the cost of the 2-3million projectiles purchased from the DoD suppliers. The delivery will be through the discharging of the projectiles at the rate of 1000 per min using "off the shelf" automatic feed systems. The total cost of the well shutoff is detailed below: Quantity unit cost Description Cost
    3,000,000 $8 U238 DoD projectiles $24,000,000
    300 manhrs $50/manhrs labor 24 hour operation $ 15,000
    10 conveyors $560,000 conveyors for well entry $ 5,600,000
    600 manhrs $200/manhrsTechnical personnel $ 120,000
    License fees $5,000,000 Fees for Inte. Property $ 5,000,000 Total cost $34,735,000
    Additional costs may include supply ships and personnel and setup time not allocated in this analysis. Tommie Merimon
    Ms. Tommie Merimon, C.E.O.
    Missing Link Technology, LLC Dear Samuel Shepherd, Thank you for your submission to the Alternative Response Technology (ART) process for the Deepwater Horizon MC252 incident. Your submission has been reviewed for its technical merits. It has been determined that your idea falls into one of the following ART categories: Already Considered/Planned, Not Feasible, or Not Possible, and therefore will not be advanced for further evaluation. To date, we have received over 80,000 submissions with each submission receiving individual consideration and priority based on merit and need. BP and Horizon Deepwater Unified Command appreciate your contribution and interest in responding to this incident. Thank you very much,
    Horizon Response Team
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Re: Nukes to Stop Oil Leak?

07/01/2010 7:50 AM
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07/01/2010 9:36 AM

Thanks for the work and effort Pete. I think anyone can use your posts, as a good starting point to find most anything out there that pertains to the leak. Unfortunately, still nothing real encouraging.

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07/01/2010 8:42 AM

The nuclear option gives me heartburn. I see the following occuring. The blast shatters whatever rock strata is between the surface and the oil dome releasing the whole glob at once. Instead of leaking out over a period of years it would be hours or days. A crude oil tsunami?

If they do it, can it be done before the fall elections?

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07/01/2010 9:18 AM

can they leave trying the nuke option until after they discover if its possible to live on mars ?

Only we may need to leave earth in a hurry?

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