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Star Delta

07/05/2010 10:38 AM

I have a problem in air compressor motor 20hp.The motor having star delta stater but the motor did not run in star. In delta the motor is running what is the problem? The stater control wiring is ok as per drawing. With out connect the motor the stater is working as per timings, when the motor is connected to stater in the star connection the motor is humming, in the delta connected to motor the motor is running.

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Re: star delta

07/05/2010 11:55 AM

DEAR,

LOOKS STARTING TORQUE IS LESS IN STAR OPERATION.

JUST CHECK THE STAR CONTACTOR'S POWER CONTACTS. ALL THE 3 PHASE CONTACTS MAY NOT BE CLOSING PROPERLY.\]\

WHAT IS THE TIMER SETTING ? IS IT 6 SEC. ?

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07/05/2010 2:53 PM

Confirm your unloader is functioning correctly.

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07/05/2010 6:04 PM

A compressor is a constant-torque load, and as starting torque in star is only about 1/3 rated torque the motor will stall. If as mentioned by unreduntant there is an unloading device (which could work by opening the compressor discharge to atmosphere) it would be OK, but it sounds like you don't have one. In that case you need to install one if possible. If not possible need to start it DOL.

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07/05/2010 10:10 PM

I agree to what Codemaster and others mentioned. Generally the load like compressor is not suggested to start with star-delta starting. With star connection, the motor is developing 1/3rd of the starting torque and it is less than the load torque that is required to start the compressor. So, the motor stalls with star connection. To confirm it, I would suggest you to detach the motor from the load and start with the star-delta starting. If the motor runs with star at this condition, it is confirmed that the motor is stalled with star connection with the load. Then go for the DOL starting or use Soft Starter instead of star-delta.

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07/06/2010 6:09 AM

I presume that this compressor has operated in the past ok, and has started normally.If this is the case, I would suspect that there has been a failure of 1 of the contacts on the star contactor. A simple test to find this would be to use a clip on ammeter and measure the current on each of the phases when in the star startup mode. If one of the phases draws little current, then you have a problem with the star contactor circuit or contactor. The star contactor is usally the contactor that has the most work to do, even though it is in operation for a small amount of time. It has to start the motor, from 0-60% full speed, this is when the high currents exist, it gets the most load and is usally rated at a lesser current rating than the other contactors in the circuit.

I would also advise if this is the problem to replace the main and delta contactors, sell up and increase your profit!!!!!

Because they will cause problems, possibly in the future.

May the force be with you

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Re: Star Delta

07/19/2010 2:19 AM

I suggest you check out your winding ends, if it hums in star sound like you phase windings are not correct, below is an answer I gave some time ago to correctly id your winding ends

you first find the winding ends using a continuity meter marking each winding end as "A" "AA", "B", "BB", "C" , "CC". use a 6 volt battery and a center zero galvanometer, connect the galvo to one pair and noting which ends are connected to the + and - of the meter, mark the winding ends as you have connected them to the meter.

Connect one of the other winding ends to one terminal of the battery and just touch the other end to the other terminal of the battery and note which way the needle of the meter moves, either to the left of the right, repeat until all the windings are done and with each test the meter needle moves in the same direction. This is called a "flick test" and if you leave the battery connected to the winding the meter will not move hence you only quickly touch the battery terminal with the winding end

you now have found the correct polarity of all three windings, so you should have three ends with a +, and three with -. Make your star point from the three + ends and connect the other three ends to your supply.

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07/19/2010 4:05 AM

Hi Brich,

Never thought of this idea for testing the polarity of the windings, it a good idea.

You have my vote.

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07/19/2010 4:26 AM

you;re welcome... I've been doing it for way to many years than I care to remember!

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07/19/2010 5:42 AM

Don't know if the OP has sorted the problem yet, but your comment in #5 is a good one. If it's worked OK in the past and now doesn't, something has gone wrong and needs fixing. If it's a new installation more likely there's a basic problem. Wasn't clear from the original.

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07/19/2010 7:08 AM

Nor was I,

I have had problems with star delta starters in the past, most of the time it has been due to an underrated star contactor. Electricians sometimes forget about the current on the star contactor when starting and under-rate the star contactor. I suppose we will have to wait until the person that posted the question, submits a reply wont we.

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10/30/2010 12:35 PM

Hi

ain't it great one someone says "Thanks".. More please

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