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Artesian Overflow Well

07/06/2010 10:00 AM

Hi, just bought a property with drilled water well. Next to home with 200 amp hydro entrance. Former owner tried to connect to house water supply and it blew the incoming line connected to the home.
Has this well have potential for a turbine hydro generator? Well has 6"pipe above ground,over flow at least 50 gpm, over100psi. Been flowing for 25 years. Fred

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07/06/2010 11:23 AM

THP = (Q x H)/8.8

where: THP = theoretical horsepower

Q = flow rate in cubic feet per second (cfs)

H = head in feet

8.8 = a constant

1GPM = 0.002228 cfs

100PSI = approx. 221ft. head

So you have (0.002228 *50) = 0.114cfs

TPH = (0.114 x 221) /8.8 = 2.86295 TPH

So your total POTENTIAL HP available is 2.86HP

2.86 * 746W/HP =2.135kW of potential energy in that artesian well flow.

Subtract from that about 30-40% mechanical and electrical losses.

You can run a toaster.

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07/06/2010 12:03 PM

So the answer is yes, you just won't get alot out of it.

The trick is to find something you can use it for. If it is positioned conveniently you could power an outdoor lighting system using LED's for illumination. Just find something you want to power that consumes about that much energy and have at it. Keep in mind, it may take a long while for the 'free' electricity to pay for what you pay to set up the system; but at least you will have a cool conversation piece and the fun of making it work!

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07/09/2010 1:14 AM

IMHO, a short-sighted answer. You could run a toaster continuously. Which is +/-24kVA/ day. Plenty to run a house. A micro-hydro generator (like ES&D or Harris) can give you 1kW+ at 12-48VDC and, with proper battery storage and inverters, provide enough juice to run a house.

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07/06/2010 12:23 PM

You could store the water and drive a turbine for an emergency standby hydro.

You are very fortunate to have a well like that.

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07/06/2010 12:41 PM

Storing it would only work if he had enough area for a lake and can set up the hydro to drain the lake when full, or he has an elevation drop on his property that will enhance the 100psi (200ish) head pressure.

I bet it would drain a small lake pretty fast powering a house, unless he has a substantial elevation change, but a good thought none the less.

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07/07/2010 2:58 AM

Overshot Water Wheel.

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07/07/2010 8:24 AM

Letting a well like this flow unrestricted is a complete waist of the resource (water). A decent cap and a system of valves to control the flow would be a good idea.

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07/07/2010 10:02 AM

If it has been flowing for as many years as described above, it has probably established a habitat for local wildlife. Precious as water is, we are not the only users.

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07/07/2010 1:49 PM

true.. ga.

perhaps even if capped, some should be diverted to sustain that original function.

I would think that one is required to perform an environmental assessment of any natural water source that is considered being diverted, which would or should have turned up such a usage, as well as study the entire existing water flow in its complete and natural systemic context, to find out what else could be disturbed.

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07/07/2010 9:06 AM

What is the water temp? If its 52 degrees+/-, I would use it as the water source in a heat pump application. You could cool or heat the house for about 20% of the cost of doing the same with just electricity. All from water that is already flowing past the home. This is a great opportunity.

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07/07/2010 9:36 AM

You could be sitting on a Gold Mine, you could bottle it and put a designer label on it!

Call it High Pressure Spring Water!

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07/07/2010 10:58 AM

Flowing wells are usually a pain in the a$$ to deal with. As the owner of the well you become liable for the maintenance and operation of the well. In some jurisdictions you will require a permit to take water if it exceeds a certain quantity per day (50,000 L/D or 11000 gal/D are common). Where I live, the fact that the well is flowing does not exclude the present day liability for wells that started to flow after well construction has been completed even after 25 years.

1. If the well is flowing freely then you must install devices to prevent back flow or syphoning of the discharge back into the well.You cannot judge the point of discharge as a reference for back flowing because drawdowns in some areas are below the well discharge points. Laws are in place to govern or regulate such back flows to prevent aquifer contamination.

2. When the well was constructed (25 years ago in your case) you should have some assurance of proper well construction. The cement grouting of the annular space (the space between the bore hole and the casing) should be verified. Contact the authority for well records and obtain a copy. Talk to the original well drilling company and discuss the issue. Other well drillers may have experience in the area and should be consulted. If the annular space had not been sealed properly then the potential for leakage and ground subsidence is high if the flow is shut down. You may be required to shut the flow down to prevent aquifer loss. Ice can also be a substantial issue in some areas.

3. Check the water pressure at the top of the well head. If the casing had been sealed properly, you should be able to obtain the pressure by installing a gauge on a well seal that will shut the flow down. You can also convert the gauge pressure to obtain how high the flow will rise or the potentiometric surface (static level). You will need the information to determine H in JRaef's good answer above.

4. There are commercially manufactured devices to shut down well flows and to prevent back syphoning. You may need them and the services of a licensed driller to assist you in the control of this well. I repeat... your liability for this well continues as a new owner.

5. Maintaining a flowing well is difficult and biofouling is usually very high in such wells. Without getting too wordy you will need to disinfect this well regularly with solid chlorine or sodium percarbonate (a solid food grade hydrogen peroxide source) powder.

6. I would suggest the opinion and design from a good hydrogeologist familiar with flowing wells if you wish to use the well as a source of power. With appropriate battery storage the well is a good source of potential power. However, you may also be required to address the problems mentioned at some point.

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07/07/2010 1:50 PM

thats excellent Kevin. its great having you here. ga.

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