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Magnetic Resistance

07/07/2010 9:34 AM

What are the materials that can be used as to resist magnetic attraction or repulsion between two magnets?

Please note that I am asking for resistance and not shielding the magnetic attraction or repulsion between two magnets.

Please share your experience.

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07/07/2010 9:52 AM

Seems like you could just get weaker magnets.

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07/07/2010 9:56 AM

I heard lead works well, but I don't think magnetic fields are straight so some will tend to bend around your shield.

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07/07/2010 9:57 AM

Heat them up & cool them down?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature

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07/07/2010 10:03 AM

NiZn Ferrite. I am guessing you already know that.

It has been used in a fast-decay pulsed kicker magnet. Is that a part of your design?

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07/07/2010 10:23 AM

It sounds like what you are looking for is called diamagnetic materials. The metal I think you want is Bismuth.

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07/07/2010 1:54 PM

From what I read on another thread (sorry, I don't remember the title), insertion and removal of the resisting material requires as much energy as the intended process would generate. If so, no energy will be left over to drive pumps, generators, or whatever. This and other problems (including legal problems) have defeated other "magnetic motor" attempts in the past.

This is not a mere matter of tinkering with geometry, etc. The physical principles are more abstract than that; they apply to all configurations.

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07/08/2010 12:13 AM

Depending on the application, air, vacuum, distance! (in addition to all materials previously mentioned).

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07/08/2010 1:13 AM

Hi Azeeco,

Magnetic lines can't be shielded, stopped or cancelled. But they can be re-directed away from the areas you are trying to protect. It's as simple as using a material that is more magnetically conductive than the area you are trying to protect, steel instead of air, for instance.

This is a simple illustration of how magnetic "shielding" works.

In this case, the steel, more magnetically conductive than air, re-directs the magnetic lines away from the area that needs "shielding". This can also be aided by additional magnets, sometimes referred to as "bucking magnets", but it all depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

The actual process is one of geometric manipulation, and actual applications can be easily modeled with magnetic FEA software, but that is only necessary when very finite results are needed. If you are just trying to reduce the magnetic field in a particular area, you can just use trial and error until you are close to the results you want.

I hope this helps.

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07/08/2010 1:28 AM

I know, but it takes little to give a valid answer ... maybe it will help someone :-)

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07/08/2010 2:18 AM

Searching for some data for magnets I found that magnets can store energy - potential. The value I found for a NdFeB magnet, a strong one, is of about 0.12 kWh/m3(and 1m3 of NdFeB is about 6000 kg) as energy density. That is very low even if possible to extract.

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07/08/2010 8:05 AM

There is a basic fallacy in talking about magnetic "resistance". Magnetism in this case is not something flowing; it simply "is". It's analagous to asking what would make a good resistance for the presence of water - not water. You can resist movement, but not presence.

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07/08/2010 11:15 PM

Mu-metal is used for magnetic shielding.

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07/09/2010 1:23 PM

My bedroom is very close to power transmission lines, what is best way to protect my self from magnetic field?

Thanks for your care.

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07/09/2010 1:52 PM

What you're dealing with is an electromagnetic field. How strong is it? Have you checked it with a field strength meter? How close are the lines?

The easy answer is, of course, simply move. An effective shield for low frenquency fields looks like a suit of armor, or an iron plated room. . . you get the idea - not too practical.

There's no evidence that low frequency em fields do any harm. After all, think of all the teenagers you see walking about with cell phones next to their brains all day and you don't see . . ., mmm, bad example.

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07/09/2010 2:10 PM

The stray magnetic field from power transmission lines are not very large. This will not be a problem for several reasons. First, the magnetic field magnitude is a function of the current running through each wire. To minimize cable length power losses, the voltage on these power lines are much higher than the voltage running through the walls of your house. With higher voltages less current is moved and therefore less of a magnetic field. Second, the field strength of a magnetic in free space (the condition around a suspended cable) dramatically reduce with distance away from the cable. The relationship is known as the inverse squared law. In simple terms, if we choose to call the magnetic field strength at 1mm away from the cable as 1 then the field strength at 10mm is 1/((1mm/10mm)^2)=0.01. At 1 m the field strength is 1/((1mm/1000mm)^2)=0.000001

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07/09/2010 6:02 PM

Ok,that is about the magnetic field, what about the electric field associated ?

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07/12/2010 4:35 AM

Your skin acts like a Faraday cage and protects the rest of the body from electric fields

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07/12/2010 9:29 PM

Aluminum slightly repels magnetic fields. I'm not sure if that is what you want. You say you don't want shielding, but what else is there?

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