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E&M Signaling, Radio Control, Relay Control

07/14/2010 5:32 PM

I have a requirement to control a radio over a satellite circuit (dedicated satcom mux channel with E&M signalling). I also have a requirement to control a transmit/receive relay as the radio I am controlling has separate T and R ports and I only have one antenna. So I have been presented with a 2 pole mechanical RF switch which requires 150 mA at 24VDC to operate. With radio, relay and E&M circuit in hand, my task is to "make it work".

Q1) I suspect that a 24 VDC M signal from the E&M mux channel is current limited (on the order of 30 mA) and will NOT drive the relay. Does anyone have insight on typical E&M signalling current limits?

Q2) I do NOT have data on the radio's timing PTT versus RF on or RF off (decay). Thus, I cannot quantify. Concern is that even if the M signal can control both radio PTT and the T/R relay, the timing may present an open RF condition to the transmitter (i.e. switched before RF energy is off-VSWR fault). Can anyone offer any insight how I can best address this design challenge?

I am inclined to raise the flag of needing more design and development before jumping in on investing in many of these T/R relays.

Thoughts? Ideas? Recommendations? Comments? Suggestions?

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Re: E&M signalling, radio control, relay control

07/14/2010 6:51 PM

The short answer is to give the relay back and say thank you but no thanks, and then request an antenna diplexer. This will allow you to connect both the transmitter and the receiver to the same antenna without worrying about switching. It will provide you the opportunity for Full Duplex operation.

Refer to R.F. Industries web site

http://www.rfi.com.au/

You don't say what frequency your operating on, RFI are just one of several companies that can help you with diplexing gear.

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Re: E&M signalling, radio control, relay control

07/15/2010 9:55 AM

Duplexer is a great idea. In looking at some of the RFI products, I may have space claim challenges. I do have (require) filters now, I may be able to replace them with these duplexers.

My frequencies are 118.3, 126.325, 121.5, and 128.5 MHz where typical operation is T/R on the same frequency (half duplex) each on its own antenna (air traffic control channel plan lacks the advantages of more advance separate receive and transmit channel plans) where all channels are expected to operate simultaneously.

Part of the equation/requirement is the integration of cavity (notch )filters for each frequency (Rf noisy environment)

Does the Duplexer application require several MHz separation between T/R? Perhaps I can put 118, 121 and 126 RXs on one duplexer (low power smaller combiner?) to one antenna; the same 3 freqs TX on another antenna. and the last, too closely spaced 128 TX and RX on a 3rd antenna. But then, I have the limitation of getting through the cavities tuned to specific frequencies.

Argh!

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Re: E&M Signaling, Radio Control, Relay Control

07/15/2010 6:53 PM

Ah ha! Now that I have more salient information I can respond to your query with better answers.

The Simplex channels in the "Air Band" do not lend themselves to diplexer use.

You will still need to have Filters in place to avoid other problems and due to the operating frequency they will need to be physically large.

When you mentioned satellite I thought you were operating at UHF/SHF where duplex channels are allocated.

To drive the relay here are some options;

You could drive the relay solenoid with a transistor or FET.

Or you could use a ULN2003 7 element driver, which takes a TTL input and will drive a relay on its output. You might want to drive the ULN2003 with a 75HC14 hex inverter to get the right orientation of the PTT signal to relay operation.

http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/uln2003a.pdf

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/2N/2N7000.pdf

Dont forget to put EMF blocking diodes on the relay solenoids.

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