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New Marine Manufacturing

07/21/2010 10:41 AM

I'm manufacturing a new geometry sailing hull. I'm manufacturing in Canada , using

the company name " Venture Hulls Canada Incorporated". This hull design will be a

little different than anything else on the marine market , but will be developed to

outperform boats like the popular J class , and the Melges cruisers . The new hull is

a wood/epoxy laminate "box" construction. 25 feet LOA , 7 feet Bmax , carrying

equivalent sail to an Ohlson 25 . The engineering question posted here regards the

vessel's cladding ; The whole hull is clad with 0.25" marine grade polyethylene .

This is both for abrasion resistance and damage replacability , as well as to enjoy

the ability of this material to resist marine growth. At the present moment , we are

planning to attach these outer panels to the exterior of these hulls using 'conventional' MS screw-type inserts , embedded in the wood hull material , to which

machine screws can be attached . The only other option would be to adhere the material with a type of concrete repair epoxy , like Sika or 3M sell , and even then , because of the slippery molecular structure of polyethylene , the epoxy may not

hold . I'm looking for alternatives , if anyone can lead me to a similar solution , perhaps one used in another industry?

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/21/2010 2:12 PM

That's a tall order. I assume you are using something like these? I assume you will bond them on place with epoxy?

I think mechanical fasteners are in order here. Do you plan to butt weld the panels prior to installation?

Hot melt adhesives MAY have a chance. They are mostly PE anyway. Then the problems becomes how to bond a large panel before the adhesive solidifies.

There are some really smart guys here, maybe one of them has an idea.

Good luck.

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/21/2010 6:12 PM

Is marine grade polyethylene the stuff Windsurfers were made of? Impossible to fix. Maybe ok for panels if you use lots of fasteners, and replacement is kept easy. Didn't know it had antifouling properties, that's valuable. Heat welding might work for it, but don't know how much skill is required.

If you're looking to compete with J boats, are you sure the combination of a box construction and a plastic cover won't be too heavy? I think the J used to have a box construction.

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/21/2010 11:20 PM

In my experience, based on several years as a sailor, trying to embed anchors into a wood/epoxy laminate is not going to give you a secure fastening over time, because wood end grain is going to be exposed to water ingress around each and every fastener, unless special attention is paid to sealing the exposed wood with a fresh coat of epoxy after each hole is drilled, before inserting the anchoring device. Water can enter from inside the hull as well. Even the best marine grade plywood is going to degrade over time, if the end grain is exposed. In my opinion, one would want any mechanical fasteners to penetrate the hull, with a bearing washer on the inside of the hull. Each fastener could be sealed from the outside using something like 5200 silicone at the time of installation.

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/22/2010 10:32 AM

Although it isn't clear by the picture I posted, these inserts are encapsulated in place. There is a fill and vent hole in each one.

A clearance hole is drilled and the insert is placed in the hole. Epoxy is then injected into the void filling the entire space with adhesive. The wood is sealed.

Looks like masterblaster may be on to something.

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/22/2010 10:20 AM

The product you are looking for is 3M Scotch-Weld DP-8005. As a Marine Engineering Tech, I have used it to bond King Starboard together. It is very tough and can be drilled and tapped and machined. The surface prepping is not difficult. With a clean surface you heat the surface with a hot air gun then apply. ( his removes oils and softens the surface) Check out the link below.

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Re: New Marine Manufacturing

07/22/2010 10:35 AM

Excellent - Thank You.

M.A. Steele

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