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diesel engine black smoke

07/30/2010 8:22 PM

is this right that diesel engine huge black smoke due to voltage drop and power factor high goes to revers while DG set running syinc with others and all other run normal.??????

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

07/30/2010 8:44 PM

Dear Kamal kat, Well a hate to answer you in a question, but like horses one needs to be facing the right end to figure it out. So is it possible Wet-Stacking was not considered a maintenance aspect and this unit is in poor shape.....At the other end electric loading is not the cause, but instead an effect?

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

07/30/2010 11:55 PM

Sounds like the engine is loaded,or overloaded, a little more information is required

Did the genset trip on reverse power,

Did it stay on the buss

Voltage, frequency, Kw, KVARs Power factor under load

number of sets, total normal load is the load balanced between sets(load sharing problem)

was it first or last on line and maybe some off line readings

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

07/31/2010 9:06 AM

Dear Kamal-Kat,

This is not due electrical loading but an effect. This may be due to

(1) Sudden overload (2) Clogged air filter (3) Less fuel supply for the load

(4) Chocked up fuel filters (5) Faulty timing of injectors etd.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/01/2010 1:32 AM

most probably the black smoke is caused by the following problems.

1- clogged return fuel pipe and the engine is flooded with unburnt fuel.

2- timing.

3- faulty load sharing, over loads the engine suddenly.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/01/2010 2:30 AM

Normally the black smoke is due to fuel mixture with air is not in proportion, more fuel is being mixed with less amount of air, so you will get black smoke not due to voltage drop. engine gets heated up and voltage dips.

you have to service the air filters and fuel injection points to remove any clogg or dirt.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/01/2010 4:05 AM

you have to test the volt and frequency simultaneously. if the frequency drops before the voltage then the cause is in the fuel pump or overload if the voltage drops first then look for a faulty AVR (automatic volatge regulator)

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/01/2010 4:57 AM

Yours was the first properly formulated reply. The ones before you walked around it with actually hitting it!

I give you a GA for that....

Having read the replies after you I can categorically say that yours was THE ONLY CORRECT answer in the whole blog!!

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08/02/2010 11:17 AM

I concur Andy. However sudden load changes (sudden load shedding for instance) will tend to result in short term improper fuel mixtures, which will result in brief puffs of black smoke even in a well maintained engine. Brief puffs I would consider normal, if the puffs are bigger than normal, or prolonged, there is something wrong with the engine. The fact that the question has been asked at all means that this is not normal, so a maintenance cycle on the engine would be in order.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/02/2010 1:56 AM

Black smoke indicate that the engine is overloaded or the air cleaner is dirty or may be the fuel line is cloged replace the fuel filter . when the engine RPM drops the voltage also drops

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/05/2010 1:29 AM

air cleaner dirty or leaking injector

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08/05/2010 9:13 PM

Yes dad, your right it is incomplete combustion, also in cases of less than ideal starting, some black smoke is not unexpected.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

08/06/2010 10:41 AM

Here , you has to follow a trouble shouting, in accordance with Engine Maint manual, this signals of fail depend on the diferents engine brands, and the right procedure is try to see the las tune up on the engine, the diesel engine need very specific adjustements in accordance with the usage of the engine and the adjustments has to be done on the diesel injection pump, injector in a Bench lab., after that a technician has to syncronice the pump on the engine and give it good after a detailed test run on the field.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

09/07/2010 7:51 PM

I do not know why #5 got a GA he has mixxed up a carberated engine with a diesel engine. Diesel engines get a full shot of air per cycle where as carbs do not except at full throttle the fuel ratio for a gas engine is for the most part stable 14.7to 1 a diesel engine can very from 0 fuel ( an engine idling down ) to 3or 4 to 1 fuel ratio ( an engine that has had poor maint. and is working at high throttle). high rev no load can be somewhere around 1000 to 1 a plugged fuel filter will restrict flow and cause it to react as if you were backing off on the throttle ( not smoke black ) a plugged air filter or improper governor setting are most common causes of black smoke

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09/08/2010 4:28 AM

Black smoke from a diesel or a petrol engine just means that the fuel to air ratio is wrong. It means that too much fuel is being burnt with too little air.....

No more, no less.

He therefore earned his GA for that point alone as he was I believe the first to mention this.

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Re: diesel engine black smoke

09/08/2010 9:18 AM

I'm not sure if we have a clear picture of the situation, it almost sounds like there is a load change on one engine, does it continuously smoke, like I asked earlier does it stay on the buss, whats the metering say, and when they say smoke is it a plume of smoke. What does it do unloaded, what does the lube oil look like, is there crankcase pressure, how does the engine start.

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